Italian coast gun

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Sturm78
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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 27 Apr 2020, 00:20

Nobody for my last images ?

Well, here another question, The first two images belongs to the same photo serie. The gun was identified by ludvig as an Cannone da 152/50 (Armstrong).
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=166653&hilit=Italian+coastal

Is the gun of the third image the same gun model ? I can some differences... :?
In fact, it is difficult to secure but they look like guns of different caliber, although could be due to the angle of the image..

Somebody?

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152mm Cannone da 152-50 Armstrong Italian coastal gun in position in Aegean. Aug.1943    RG00069800.jpg
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152mm Cannone da 152-50 Armstrong Italian coastal gun in position in Aegean. Aug.1943  RG00069809.jpg
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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 27 Apr 2020, 18:05

Hello, this gun is an 152/40 Armstrong 1891 or 1899, the location is Rodi , Aegean . Thanks for all the photos you put in the forum. Regards


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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 27 Apr 2020, 18:21

Sturm78 wrote:
19 Apr 2020, 13:05
Hi all,

I am not sure about this Italian coastal gun.
Looking the projectile I would say an 152mm gun. 152mm L50 A Mod.1918 or L45 M1911 Armstrong....?? :?

Coastal artillery is usually quite a messy subject.... :roll:

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The gun in Your photos is an 152-40 A 1891 or 1899 (A is for Armstrong Pozzuoli) . Thanks for all the photos of Your posts. Regards.

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 27 Apr 2020, 18:25

Sturm78 wrote:
27 Apr 2020, 00:20
Nobody for my last images ?

Well, here another question, The first two images belongs to the same photo serie. The gun was identified by ludvig as an Cannone da 152/50 (Armstrong).
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=166653&hilit=Italian+coastal

Is the gun of the third image the same gun model ? I can some differences... :?
In fact, it is difficult to secure but they look like guns of different caliber, although could be due to the angle of the image..

Somebody?

Images from LUCE archive
Sturm78
Hello, I am new in the forum and i greet all the members . (but i have been following the forum for many years). The gun in the photos in an 120/45 A 1918 (Armstrong Pozzuoli) and was used on ships and land . Regards

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 27 Apr 2020, 22:47

Welcome to the forum, shultz.. :welcome:
The incorporation of new members is always appreciated, especially those interested in the issue of artillery. :)

I am a little confused with your answers.
shultz wrote
Hello, this gun is an 152/40 Armstrong 1891 or 1899, the location is Rodi , Aegean . Thanks for all the photos you put in the forum. Regards
Which gun do you mean? My third image of the post 286 of 27 April ?
shultz wrote
Hello, I am new in the forum and i greet all the members . (but i have been following the forum for many years). The gun in the photos in an 120/45 A 1918 (Armstrong Pozzuoli) and was used on ships and land . Regards
My two first images of the post 286 of 27 April ? 120/45 A 1918 (Armstrong) .... I think it is possible that you are right

Well, I think the 152/40 A have a large recoil cylinder above the gun barrel...and the gun of my image have two smaller cyilnders...

As far as I know Italy had the following coastal 152mm guns:

Cannone da 152-40: A large recoil cylinder above the gun barrel (image 1)
Cannone da 152-45: Two smaller cyilnders (image 2)
Cannone da 152-50: Two smaller cyilnders reaching to the edge of the barrel breech (image 3)

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152mm Cannone da 152-40 italian railgun of Regia Marina--2.jpg
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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 28 Apr 2020, 12:05

Sturm78 wrote:
27 Apr 2020, 22:47
Welcome to the forum, shultz.. :welcome:
The incorporation of new members is always appreciated, especially those interested in the issue of artillery. :)

I am a little confused with your answers.
shultz wrote
Hello, this gun is an 152/40 Armstrong 1891 or 1899, the location is Rodi , Aegean . Thanks for all the photos you put in the forum. Regards
Which gun do you mean? My third image of the post 286 of 27 April ?
shultz wrote
Hello, I am new in the forum and i greet all the members . (but i have been following the forum for many years). The gun in the photos in an 120/45 A 1918 (Armstrong Pozzuoli) and was used on ships and land . Regards
My two first images of the post 286 of 27 April ? 120/45 A 1918 (Armstrong) .... I think it is possible that you are right

Well, I think the 152/40 A have a large recoil cylinder above the gun barrel...and the gun of my image have two smaller cyilnders...

As far as I know Italy had the following coastal 152mm guns:

Cannone da 152-40: A large recoil cylinder above the gun barrel (image 1)
Cannone da 152-45: Two smaller cyilnders (image 2)
Cannone da 152-50: Two smaller cyilnders reaching to the edge of the barrel breech (image 3)

Sturm78
Hello, I'm new and I made mistakes in posting, I apologize and hope to learn soon.
Image 1 is 152/40 on carriage "Tipo Ammiragliato" , but there are many other types : 1 big cylinder under the barrel is "Tipo Piemonte" , and there are carriages with 3 cylinders under the barrel .
Image 2 in ok 152/45 , there are many types of carriage but always 25 little cylinders over and 1 little under the barrel .
Image 3 is 120/45 A1918 (Armstrong Pozzuoli)
Cannone da 152/50 also there are many types, (152/50 R.E. or Regio Esercito with 3 cylinders under the barrel and 152/50 A1918 R.M. or Regia Marina with 2 over and 1 under the barrel) and many different carriages.
Next time I will also try to put photos or drawings. Regards

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 28 Apr 2020, 14:59

Ok, thanks for your information, shultz.
I look forward you shed some light on this topic.... :)

In any case, I still think that the last photo in my latest post (24690) looks like a gun with a larger caliber than 120mm.... :roll:

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 28 Apr 2020, 18:16

Sturm78 wrote:
28 Apr 2020, 14:59
Ok, thanks for your information, shultz.
I look forward you shed some light on this topic.... :)

In any case, I still think that the last photo in my latest post (24690) looks like a gun with a larger caliber than 120mm.... :roll:

Sturm78
First, i am sorry and the 152/45 has only 2 and not 25 upper cylinders !! and 1 under the barrel , and this is the Regia Marina version (Italian Navy) used on ships and land pedestal carriages , Ansaldo made also the 152/45 RE with a land carriage and 3 upper cylinders .
The cannon of photo 3 is really a 120/45 A1918. As soon as I can understand how to insert images I will put a drawing and photos.
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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 08 May 2020, 11:50

shultz wrote:
28 Apr 2020, 18:16
Sturm78 wrote:
28 Apr 2020, 14:59
Ok, thanks for your information, shultz.
I look forward you shed some light on this topic.... :)

In any case, I still think that the last photo in my latest post (24690) looks like a gun with a larger caliber than 120mm.... :roll:

Sturm78
First, i am sorry and the 152/45 has only 2 and not 25 upper cylinders !! and 1 under the barrel , and this is the Regia Marina version (Italian Navy) used on ships and land pedestal carriages , Ansaldo made also the 152/45 RE with a land carriage and 3 upper cylinders .
The cannon of photo 3 is really a 120/45 A1918. As soon as I can understand how to insert images I will put a drawing and photos.
Regards
Hi Sturm, once again I have to apologize! your photo 3 is a 152/50 A 1918. I attach two photos taken years ago from the Italian naval site www.betasom.it/ forum (I have not found the exact topic anymore).
152-50 A 1918  2 La Spezia 4-11-2008.jpg
152-50 A 1918   1 La Spezia 4-11-2008 .jpg
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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 May 2020, 16:23

Thanks for the images, shultz

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 15 May 2020, 17:17

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this Italian coastal gun ?

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 16 May 2020, 00:28

From the recoil system and sighting bar this is one of a number of US 5 inch 51 caliber weapons supplied to the Italians during WW I.

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 16 May 2020, 00:43

Also note the dual handwheels for elevation and train. Avery peculiarly American design standard on naval guns.

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 16 May 2020, 05:13

Just found my notes. The US provided 10 of these 5 inch 51 guns in 1917 to Italy.

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Re: Italian coast gun

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Post by shultz » 16 May 2020, 11:06

Hi Sturm & Roland, also for me this photo is a mistery, the only sure thing is that this is a Regia Marina battery; but the gun seems bigger than 127 (or perhaps in the angle of the foto). Italy received also a few 152/50 U.S. guns , i put the fotos of 127 & 152 on pontoons (Venice lagoon artillery) , and a reference from an italian manual of 1919 (the photos are from the book "L'artiglieria Italiana nella grande guerra, of Curami & Massignani").
127-51 S.U. 1917 on Lontra 2 pontoon.png
152-50 S.U. 1918 on Pasubio pontoon.png
from a Regia Marina 1919 manual.png
P.s. , Roland do You know how many 6/50 were sent to Italy ?
Thanks & regards
Shultz

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