Help to Id. US plane
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Thank you, Paul
Sturm78
Sturm78
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Hi all,
Are these planes Douglas SBD Dauntless ?
I had never seen the planes be stored hung in the hangars....
Image from LIFE
Sturm78
Are these planes Douglas SBD Dauntless ?
I had never seen the planes be stored hung in the hangars....
Image from LIFE
Sturm78
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Hello Mr. Sturm78
They are a mixture of SBD-3s of VS-2, ( the three aircraft closest to the photographer ), with an
additional three TBDs of VT-2, on board ( or, actually, hung up in the overhead of the hanger deck )
on the USS Lexington, CV-2, sometime in 1941-1942 ( Before the Battle of the Coral Sea ). This type
of stowage was frequently used in the 1930s to increase the number of spare aircraft that could
be placed aboard a carrier. but fell out of favor during the war, being replaced by flight deck
stowage.
Note how, on all the aircraft, the outer wing panels have been removed for stowage. This meant
a somewhat lengthy re-attachment process to make them ready for flight, something that fell out
of favor after Coral Sea.
We can also tell that this is aboard the Lexington, as VS-2 only operated SBDs aboard the Lex in
1941- May 1942, and the U.S. markings still have the red meatball in the center, something that
was eliminated after Coral Sea. SBDs at Midway had no red meatballs.
Also note how the hanger deck is spotlessly clean and waxed. The Lex was a ' Happy Ship ', the
men who served aboard her loved her to the end.
Respectfully :
Paul R. Ward
They are a mixture of SBD-3s of VS-2, ( the three aircraft closest to the photographer ), with an
additional three TBDs of VT-2, on board ( or, actually, hung up in the overhead of the hanger deck )
on the USS Lexington, CV-2, sometime in 1941-1942 ( Before the Battle of the Coral Sea ). This type
of stowage was frequently used in the 1930s to increase the number of spare aircraft that could
be placed aboard a carrier. but fell out of favor during the war, being replaced by flight deck
stowage.
Note how, on all the aircraft, the outer wing panels have been removed for stowage. This meant
a somewhat lengthy re-attachment process to make them ready for flight, something that fell out
of favor after Coral Sea.
We can also tell that this is aboard the Lexington, as VS-2 only operated SBDs aboard the Lex in
1941- May 1942, and the U.S. markings still have the red meatball in the center, something that
was eliminated after Coral Sea. SBDs at Midway had no red meatballs.
Also note how the hanger deck is spotlessly clean and waxed. The Lex was a ' Happy Ship ', the
men who served aboard her loved her to the end.
Respectfully :
Paul R. Ward
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Re: Help to Id. US plane
Hello Paul
Thank you very much for your complete answer...
You always learn something new in the forum..
Regards
Sturm78
Thank you very much for your complete answer...
You always learn something new in the forum..
Regards
Sturm78
Re: Help to Id. US plane
Hi all,
This is a Douglas C-47 Lend Lease plane.
Does somebody know the exact version of the C-47 with the dorsal protuberance on his engines, as this plane ?
In the net you can see planes identified as C-47B with and without these engines....
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Sturm78
This is a Douglas C-47 Lend Lease plane.
Does somebody know the exact version of the C-47 with the dorsal protuberance on his engines, as this plane ?
In the net you can see planes identified as C-47B with and without these engines....
Image from Ebay
Sturm78
Re: Help to Id. US plane
Here are a couple of photos of C-47A's with that feature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C ... trains.jpg
https://www.google.com/search?q=c47a&tb ... K1723vxWSM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_C ... trains.jpg
https://www.google.com/search?q=c47a&tb ... K1723vxWSM
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Hi Tomg44
According to various sources from the net, C-47A was powered by Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 engines and C-47B by R-1830-90 engines with two-speed superchargers....
Are these dorsal protuberances on the engines a feature of the C-47A with R-1830-92 engines without superchargers ??
Sturm78
According to various sources from the net, C-47A was powered by Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 engines and C-47B by R-1830-90 engines with two-speed superchargers....
Are these dorsal protuberances on the engines a feature of the C-47A with R-1830-92 engines without superchargers ??
Sturm78
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There is some information on the different engines here.
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/p ... r-1830-92/
You will need to scroll down to the section 30 June 1975
National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio should be an authoritative source!
https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/p ... r-1830-92/
You will need to scroll down to the section 30 June 1975
National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio should be an authoritative source!
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Production
Total production of all variants was 16,079.[11] More than 400 remained in commercial service in 1998. Production was as follows:
607 civil variants of the DC-3;
10,048 military C-47 and C-53 derivatives built at Santa Monica, California, Long Beach, California, and Oklahoma City;
4,937 built under license in the Soviet Union (1939–1950) as the Lisunov Li-2 (NATO reporting name: Cab);
487 Mitsubishi Kinsei-engined aircraft built by Showa and Nakajima in Japan (1939–1945), as the L2D Type 0 transport (Allied codename Tabby).
I don't believe any C-47s were Lend Leased to the Soviet Union so this should be an Li-2.
Jack Nisley
Total production of all variants was 16,079.[11] More than 400 remained in commercial service in 1998. Production was as follows:
607 civil variants of the DC-3;
10,048 military C-47 and C-53 derivatives built at Santa Monica, California, Long Beach, California, and Oklahoma City;
4,937 built under license in the Soviet Union (1939–1950) as the Lisunov Li-2 (NATO reporting name: Cab);
487 Mitsubishi Kinsei-engined aircraft built by Showa and Nakajima in Japan (1939–1945), as the L2D Type 0 transport (Allied codename Tabby).
I don't believe any C-47s were Lend Leased to the Soviet Union so this should be an Li-2.
Jack Nisley
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The engines of the plane of my image not match with those of Li-2....Jack Nisley wrote
I don't believe any C-47s were Lend Leased to the Soviet Union so this should be an Li-2.
On the other hand, Can somebody identify this plane ?
Image from LIFE archive
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Thanks, LineDoggie
Sturm78
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Re # 62 with the aircraft triced to the hangar deck overhead. . .
Actually, according to the US Navy, this photo was taken on board USS Enterprise in October 1941. Enterprise was evidently making a ferry run with aircraft for various squadrons as there are not only the SBDs earmarked for Lexington, but also F4Fs and TBDs for Saratoga's VF-3 and VT-3, respectively, plus the TBDs without any squadron markings at all. Download from here
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 17425.html
and blow it up and you'll see 2-S-6 and 2-S-18 right where you'd expect, albeit from a different angle. Text specifically mentions the VS-2 SBD's. Amusingly, the text uses the phrase "triced up" which is somewhat redundant. Something that has been "triced" is already "up."
Actually, according to the US Navy, this photo was taken on board USS Enterprise in October 1941. Enterprise was evidently making a ferry run with aircraft for various squadrons as there are not only the SBDs earmarked for Lexington, but also F4Fs and TBDs for Saratoga's VF-3 and VT-3, respectively, plus the TBDs without any squadron markings at all. Download from here
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 17425.html
and blow it up and you'll see 2-S-6 and 2-S-18 right where you'd expect, albeit from a different angle. Text specifically mentions the VS-2 SBD's. Amusingly, the text uses the phrase "triced up" which is somewhat redundant. Something that has been "triced" is already "up."
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C-47A/B were supplied to the USSR under Lend-Lease. According to "Air Arsenal North America" 708 were delivered to the USSR.Jack Nisley wrote: ↑17 Apr 2020, 21:56Production
Total production of all variants was 16,079.[11] More than 400 remained in commercial service in 1998. Production was as follows:
607 civil variants of the DC-3;
10,048 military C-47 and C-53 derivatives built at Santa Monica, California, Long Beach, California, and Oklahoma City;
4,937 built under license in the Soviet Union (1939–1950) as the Lisunov Li-2 (NATO reporting name: Cab);
487 Mitsubishi Kinsei-engined aircraft built by Showa and Nakajima in Japan (1939–1945), as the L2D Type 0 transport (Allied codename Tabby).
I don't believe any C-47s were Lend Leased to the Soviet Union so this should be an Li-2.
Jack Nisley
These augmented the production of the Li-2/PS-84 in the USSR. The C-47 had better fight instruments and radio equipment and de-icer boots on the wings when compared to its Soviet equivalent.
There are 2 digits marked on the tail which look to me like the first 2 digits of its US serial number which was retained on these aircraft during their wartime Soviet service.
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Thanks for the information, EwenS...EwenS wrote
C-47A/B were supplied to the USSR under Lend-Lease. According to "Air Arsenal North America" 708 were delivered to the USSR.
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Sturm78