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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by ML » 03 Jan 2019 16:43

According to Enqvist it was the Soviet 10th railway artillery battery.
Yes, third railway battery (in addition to 305 mm and 180 mm) with 100 mm guns is also mentioned in book Hangon Rannikkopatteristo 1921 - 1998 by Pekka Silvast and it is marked on a map of Hanko base (by Stig Nyström), published in book Hanko toisessa maailmansodassa by Uitto & Geust.

However, in latter book there's an article "Neuvostoliiton laivastotukikohdan rakentaminen Hankoon 1940 - 41" by Pavel Petrov. It has info that a separate artillery battalion in Hanko would include 10 batteries, 174th Battery with 3 x 100 mm guns among them. Battery with 100 mm guns arrived 12.7.1940 and it was installed in August. Heavier railway guns arrived only later in autumn 1940. There's also mention of V. F. Tributs's report that 1.12.1940 in Hanko there was one 100 mm coastal battery in open positions with 4 guns.

In Silvasti's book there a Soviet map (cited from book Sovetskaja beregovaya artilleriya 1921 - 1945) with battery 174 with three 100 mm guns situated on island of Långskär south of Tvärminne.
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by ML » 03 Jan 2019 18:26

In Silvasti's book there a Soviet map (cited from book Sovetskaja beregovaya artilleriya 1921 - 1945) with battery 174 with three 100 mm guns situated on island of Porsskär south of Tvärminne.
Actually the battery is situated in Långskär not Porsskär, my mistake...

100 mm coastal battery at Tvärminne Långskär is mentioned also in this report by Pekka Silvast: https://www.hanko.fi/files/2851/Puistov ... 940-41.pdf
Hangon merisotilaallisen tukikohdan maapuolustus mereltä tulevia hyökkäyksiä vastaan oli järjestetty rannikkopattereilla. Russarössä oli nelitykkinen 130 millimetrin patteri, Tulliniemen Uddskatassa 3-tykkinen samanlainen patteri ja sen lisäksi kevyet 45 millimetrin rannikkopatterit Puistovuorilla, Varisniemessä ja Tulliniemen Granskärissä. Rannikkopuolustuksen patterit kuuluivat 29. Ranikkotykistödivisionaan.

Lappohjan rannikkopuolustuksesta vastasi 30. Ranikkotykistödivisiona, jolla oli 130 millimetrin patteri Hästö-Busössä, 100 millimetrin patteri Tvärminen Långskärissä ja kevyet 45 millimetrin patterit Tvärminneössä, Brännskärissä ja Koössä.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Swing » 15 Apr 2020 08:31

Hi all!

A lot of Finnish artillery shells are stamped with similar mark (see below). What does it means?
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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Mangrove » 15 Apr 2020 10:18

Swing wrote:
15 Apr 2020 08:31
A lot of Finnish artillery shells are stamped with similar mark (see below). What does it means?
Letter or number inside "crossed cannons" is acceptance marking stamped by the inspector assigned by the Ministry of Defence or the Finnish Defence Forces. The symbol inside the cannons is individual for each inspector. I am not currently aware of any listing detailing which symbol belonged to which inspector.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 17 May 2020 11:16

Hi all,

Does somebody have any information about this 20mm Lahti AA gun ?? Prototype only ?

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by JTV » 17 May 2020 12:15

Sturm78 wrote:
17 May 2020 11:16
Does somebody have any information about this 20mm Lahti AA gun ?? Prototype only ?
That is one of Aimo Lahti's 20 mm automatic cannon L-34 prototypes. There were numerous (both recoil-action and gas-action) prototypes of Lahti's 20 mm automatic cannons stretching from circa year 1933 to World War 2 and variety of gun mounts were tested with them. The individual prototype seen in the photo is on experimental fixed anti-aircraft gun mount. State Rifle Factory (Valtion Kivääritehdas / VKT) build almost all of them, Tampella acquired a license but ended up building only two guns. The most successful of pre-war developments was 2nd production version of L-34 automatic cannon, dozen of which were manufactured for patrol boats of Finnish Navy. The ultimate developments of Lahti's 20-mm gun developments were L-39 antitank-rifle and 20 ItK/40 VKT anti-aircraft gun, both of which saw mass-production during World War 2.

My website has some info about 2nd version of L-34 automatic cannon and Tampella's guns (20 ItK/39T).

https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS1.htm#L-34

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 17 May 2020 20:30

Thanks a lot for your help, JTV... :wink:

It's a quite strange mount for a AA gun...

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 23 May 2020 20:28

Hi all,

I found this image in a Russian forum. According to pto caption a Finnish 305mm gun.
Is this gun one of those of Ristiniemi battery ?

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by JTV » 24 May 2020 16:17

Sturm78 wrote:
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I found this image in a Russian forum. According to pto caption a Finnish 305mm gun.
Is this gun one of those of Ristiniemi battery ?
Nope. Check page 6 of this thread. Also - copyrights are quite possibly still valid for that photo.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 25 May 2020 11:37

Thanks, JTV.

Isosaari Island, therefore, and I suppose that the image would be taken in 1960s

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by JTV » 25 May 2020 17:46

Sturm78 wrote:
25 May 2020 11:37
Isosaari Island, therefore, and I suppose that the image would be taken in 1960s
The photo could be from any point of time since 1960's. That is the east turret that still exists as museum gun. Only notable differences to this day are that the turret's paint job is now (or was about 4 years ago when I visited the place) in rather poor shape and there is a very large modern (telecommunications?) antenna in area behind the gun, which should be visible from that angle. But digitally erasing the antenna would not be exactly difficult and the location is probably pretty harsh for paint.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Jun 2020 15:08

Hi all,

I found these 3 small images on a Russian forum. I am not sure if these 254mm L45 guns on Durlacher mounts are in Russian or Finnish service.
Somebody ? If Finnish, Any idea about the batteries ?

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by ML » 17 Jun 2020 20:43

I found these 3 small images on a Russian forum. I am not sure if these 254mm L45 guns on Durlacher mounts are in Russian or Finnish service.
Somebody ? If Finnish, Any idea about the batteries ?
First picture is most probably from Rysäkari/Ryssänkari fort, Helsinki. The picture is taken before these guns were modified by Finns in 1930's, as the gun mount rotates around the front part, as in original configuration.

Second picture shows also gun with original mount. No idea of location.

Third picture seems to be Finnish modified gun, as the gun rotates around the central part of mount. To me, it looks like the gun is not in operable condition, so it might be abandoned. Saarenpää battery at Koivisto was abandoned by Finns in both Winter war and Continuation war and Kellomäki battery at Terijoki in Continuation war. In all cases the guns were more or less destroyed by Finns. Photo might be from Saarenpää, as I doubt there were concrete gun positions in Kellomäki?

Someone else may try to regognize if the soldiers in photos are wearing Finnish/Russian/Soviet uniforms.

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by veeteetee » 19 Jun 2020 10:12

JTV wrote:
17 May 2020 12:15
Sturm78 wrote:
17 May 2020 11:16
Does somebody have any information about this 20mm Lahti AA gun ?? Prototype only ?
That is one of Aimo Lahti's 20 mm automatic cannon L-34 prototypes. There were numerous (both recoil-action and gas-action) prototypes of Lahti's 20 mm automatic cannons stretching from circa year 1933 to World War 2 and variety of gun mounts were tested with them. The individual prototype seen in the photo is on experimental fixed anti-aircraft gun mount. State Rifle Factory (Valtion Kivääritehdas / VKT) build almost all of them, Tampella acquired a license but ended up building only two guns. The most successful of pre-war developments was 2nd production version of L-34 automatic cannon, dozen of which were manufactured for patrol boats of Finnish Navy. The ultimate developments of Lahti's 20-mm gun developments were L-39 antitank-rifle and 20 ItK/40 VKT anti-aircraft gun, both of which saw mass-production during World War 2.

My website has some info about 2nd version of L-34 automatic cannon and Tampella's guns (20 ItK/39T).

https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS1.htm#L-34
You could check also this text by me, unfortunately in Finnish only but with many pictures https://docplayer.fi/45715019-Tampellan ... vulla.html

As for the gun´s designation Tampella used the "20m/m konetykki L-34" designation and I myself have used the name "20 Itk/34 L Tampella" in order to separate them from the VKT-made serial production guns known as "20 ItK/34 L". For me "20 ItK/39T" is a new designation that I have never seen elsewhere.

As for Tampella brochure on the gun see https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/pienp ... 992?page=1

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Re: Finnish Artillery

Post by Andrey152 » 13 Jan 2021 07:16

Sturm78 wrote:
12 Mar 2014 20:35
Jarkko wrote
Which way were they different in appearance?
Here a modern image (sorry, I have not found any decent wartime image) of Kuivassaari turret. I think both turrets are not equal in appearance.

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PD. Any information about the Russian heavy coastal defenses (234-305-356mm guns) in this area before 1917 and subsequent changes in the interwar period will be welcome
Hi!
There were 3 types of twin turrets in the Russian coasr defence before 1WW - 8-inch, 12-inch and 14-inch.
2x2 8-inch turrets were built at Nargen and Makiluoto
8x2 12-inch turrets wete built at Ino, Nargen, Wulf) Aegna) and Krasnaya Gorka and 2x2 12-inch were built at Sevastopol after 1WW
4x2 14-inch turrets were in construction at Nargen and Makiluoto and 6x2 14-inch were planned at Nargen, Makiluoto and Surop
12-inch turret at Makiluoto were the earlier 14-inch turret which were armed 12-inch guns from ex-Ino by finns
But 12-inch turret at Kuivassaari were built be finns. There were the lower part of 14-inch turret from Makiluoto, upper part and guns from 12-inck turret from ex-Ino
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