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michalg
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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by michalg » 23 Jun 2020, 10:42

George_W wrote:
27 Jan 2019, 21:09
I only know that they were members of Gestapo in Lublin - Edward vel Eduard Grajewski, Jan Grodek (born 18/06/1920) and Wilhelm Häle (born 03/09/1890 in Dresden - Blasewitz) and were sentenced in Poland to 10 and 15 years (as far i remember Grajewski - 15 years, Grodek - 10 years and Häle - 10 or 15 years).

George
Hello George,

I'm looking for any informaton about Edward Jan Grajewski from Lublin (born in Grubno in 1924). I've only hint, that he was tried in 1946 in Wroclaw for SS belonging.
Could you check your sourses about him?

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Michael

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020, 16:57

ansata1976 wrote:
08 Nov 2017, 13:58
Arthur Müller
25.04.1913 in Tomaszow Mazowiecki
Bahnschutz in Skarzysku-Kamiennej
arrested 28.01.1948
death sentence 28.10.1948 in Radom
executed 22.02.1949 in Radom


What is the source of those data?
Where can I find such data?
It seems to be my great-grandfather.
And the only thing that was known so far in my family is from stories of my great-grandmother, that said he was taken one day and she never saw him again.


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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by ansata1976 » 30 Aug 2020, 17:13

My sources are Polish newspapers and the IPN. For further information I think the IPN in Warsaw can help you.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020, 17:21

ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 17:13
My sources are Polish newspapers and the IPN. For further information I think the IPN in Warsaw can help you.
Thank you very much for fast reply!
I will contact IPN in Warsaw.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by ansata1976 » 30 Aug 2020, 17:27

When I can find the article from the newspaper I will post it.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020, 17:42

ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 17:27
When I can find the article from the newspaper I will post it.
That would be really amazing!!
Thank you very very much your help!

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by ansata1976 » 30 Aug 2020, 19:19

Arthur Müller-min.jpg

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020, 21:43

ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 19:19
Arthur Müller-min.jpg
WOW!!
In a very bad way, Wow!
As much as I wanted to find out something more about my ancestor...
...this is a tough pill to swallow!
The knowledge that your great-grandfather was a sadistic person and behaving cruel towards the polish people.

Thank you very much for your help in finding those informations.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by history1 » 31 Aug 2020, 08:03

PM24 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 21:43
ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 19:19
Arthur Müller-min.jpg
WOW!!
In a very bad way, Wow!
As much as I wanted to find out something more about my ancestor...
...this is a tough pill to swallow!
The knowledge that your great-grandfather was a sadistic person and behaving cruel towards the polish people.

Thank you very much for your help in finding those informations.
You better take the informations from the propaganda newspapers at this time and the infos from the IPN with a grain of salt. One can´t fabricate a death sentence with proper informations , eg. that it was prohibted to stroll around/enter the railway grounds without train ticket. Such regulation is even nowadays in most trains stations valid!
And how reliable is the info that A. Müller did shot two Polish railway workers? One of unknown personality (where there no witnesses, then how can they accuse him that he killed an unknown person?) and allegedly a man with the last name Bilski. It´s very likely that A. Müller did catch them red-handed when planting an IED in the railway tracks and they tried to escape. Of course such info get´s not mentioned as it was justify the use of the gun by A. Müller.
And Kowalewski did most likely belong to the partisans (according the newspaper info), what is also illegal. And that he didn´t return from the KL Groß Rosen doesn´t proof neither anything, lots of former Polish citizens (DP did choose not to return to their home and started a new life elsewhere). I knew several Polish women who did work as laborer in my hometown and choosed not tor return to the communist/bolshewik post WWII Poland occupied by Soviet Forces.
And when Edmund Kowalewski complained that neither his brother nor mother did return he should have asked himself how wise it is to join the partisans, and to murder Poles working for the occupators or German officials, or German unarmed settlers, with them defenseless women and children.
And isn´t it strange that the Arolsen Achives do not hold a single archival document for a man with the last name "Ciuk"? But dozens of "Chuk"´s. But that doesn´t really surprise me as also the name of the concentration camp Groß Rosen is misspelled.
BTW, Polish archives do also hold documents how Poles from the German minority were persecuted and murdered BEFORE WWII, eg. for asking Poles (make advertisings) to work in Germany. They also vanished without traces, until their corpses got found coincidentally.
And you yourself a favor and get "Wysiedlenia, wypedzenia i uciezki 1939-1959 - Atlas ziem Polski" by the Polish Righteous among the Nations Wladyslaw Bartoszewski.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by KARL AXIS » 01 Oct 2020, 16:14

I am looking for information regarding Oskar Pydde.
In the Axis History war crimes trials page 10 there is documented an Oskar Pydde imprisoned for war crimes in 1946 for 15 years after a trial in Lodz. My grandfather Oskar Pydde grew up in Lodz. He was forced by Nazi officials in front of his family in Jedlice against his will to return to war in January 1944. The family was advised in writing in October 1944 that he died in action on 10 July 1944 in Luniniets, in the then Poland.

Given my grandfathers refusal to return to war, is it possible that he was so brain washed and tortured by the Nazi regime that he no longer knew who his family was and the Nazi government document stating his death is possibly fake and that he did not actually die in the year 1944?

Is it possible to uncover the birth date, marriage date, family information eg. mother, father, children information relating to the Oskar Pydde that was on trial in Lodz in 1945 or 1946, subsequently imprisoned for 15 years for war crimes in 1946?

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by Puck » 12 Oct 2020, 21:14

George_W wrote:
26 Jan 2020, 00:47

Members of the Gestapo, Kripo and SD who served in Poland extradited by the British authorities:

.., Büsing Otto Karl,
George
SS-Stschf Otto Büsing received the EKII on 21.09.1944 (Vorschlag from 21.07.1944), adressed to KdS Radom
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Regards Puck

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by George_W » 12 Oct 2020, 21:19

Postwar photo of Otto Karl Büsing, taken by the British authorities before the extradition to Poland.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by Puck » 30 Oct 2020, 23:33

Small correction:
ansata1976 wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 17:45
Trials Auschwitz + subcamps:
20.01.1947 Karl Morla (08.09.1908 in Trier) SS-Oberscharführer 12 years (released 21.05.1956)
..
20.01.1948 Otto Willi Fritz Kühnast (11.12.1923 in Treuenbrietzen) SS-Sturmmann 4 years
20.01.1948 Anton Mehler (18.09.1922 in Gašinci) SS-Sturmmann 6 years (released 14.03.1953)
Karl Morla was on 20.01.1948 in the same trial with Otto Kühnast and Anton Mehler
https://truthaboutcamps.eu/ftp/baza-ss- ... 1_1948.pdf
ansata1976 wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 17:45
Trials Auschwitz + subcamps:
..
30.04.1948 Julius Spindler (19.07.1890 Gaffken) SS-Hauptscharführer 3 years
..
Julius Spindler was on trial on 30.03.1948
https://truthaboutcamps.eu/ftp/baza-ss- ... 3_1948.pdf
ansata1976 wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 17:45
Trials Auschwitz + subcamps:
..
02.04.1948 Ferdinand Franz Baier (02.11.1901 in Wien) SS-Rottenführer 3 years
..
Ferdinand Baier was on trial on 11.03.1948
https://truthaboutcamps.eu/ftp/baza-ss- ... 3_1948.pdf
ansata1976 wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 17:45
Trials Auschwitz + subcamps:
..
27.04.1947 Albin Heinrich Ackermann (08.04.1901 in Mühlhausen) SS-Sturmmann 3 years (released 17.03.1954)
..
Albin Heinrich Ackermann was on trial on 27.04.1948
https://truthaboutcamps.eu/ftp/baza-ss- ... 4_1948.pdf
pls. check the release date ..

Regards Puck

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by George_W » 08 Nov 2020, 13:31

George_W wrote:
24 Jan 2020, 00:25
Hermann Pahlke, born 10.01.1890 Klein Döhren, member of the Gestapo in Kraków,Lublin, Skawina and Radom, head of SD in Skawina, extradited by the US authorities on 25.02.1947, sentenced in Kraków on 20.01.1949 to 7 years, released on 17.03.1954.
My informations that Hermann Pahlke was the member of Gestapo were incorrect and i have to correct my entry regarding that man.

Hermann Pahlke was the head of Sonderdienst in Skawina, he was also the member of SS in Kraków, Lublin, Wieliczka, Bochnia, and Radom. As far i know he was not the member of Gestapo.

The photo of Hermann Pahlke taken by the US authorities before his extradition to Poland.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

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Post by Puck » 23 Nov 2020, 18:32

George_W wrote:
21 Jan 2019, 18:55
Wilhelm Kurt Erwin Wühle, born 22/10/1884 in Königsberg, German in Jeziorki (manor owner in Jeziorki), extradited from Russian zone to Poland on 27/07/1950, sentenced in Poznań (?) on 26/02/1951 to life, released on 11/09/1956.
1946 in CIC Neumünster
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Regards Puck

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