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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 07 Sep 2020, 18:10

Any opinions on the most absurd or over the top CT of WWII might be?

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Post by OpanaPointer » 07 Sep 2020, 18:57

Absurd: We dropped the bombs on Japan to scare the Russians.

Over the top: British divers put limpet mines on the OBBs in Battleship Row because the Japanese couldn't hit shit. (This one comes out of the belief that Pearl Harbor was too shallow for torpedoes.)
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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 08 Sep 2020, 00:13

Never heard the limit mine story before.

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Post by maltesefalcon » 08 Sep 2020, 01:23

OpanaPointer wrote:
07 Sep 2020, 18:57
Absurd: We dropped the bombs on Japan to scare the Russians.

Over the top: British divers put limpet mines on the OBBs in Battleship Row because the Japanese couldn't hit shit. (This one comes out of the belief that Pearl Harbor was too shallow for torpedoes.)
So....let me get this straight.
Japanese couldn't hit a battleship with a torpedo, so they aimed for (and hit) the limpet mines? :D

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 08 Sep 2020, 01:38

Gehlens post war staff in the US intelligence services was the tip of a vast nazi survivor organization. Working to restore Germany as a world power, and undermine the US through a pointless competition with the USSR.

Not sure what sort of documentation could ever 'prove' this one.

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 08 Sep 2020, 01:44

Nother one...

Tha Britons secret objective in WWII was to preserve a vast global financial, industrial, military, and political network of control over millions of peoples and over a hundred nations large and small.




Oh, wait...

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Post by Thumpalumpacus » 08 Sep 2020, 02:57

I definitely reject the PH "theory" as a non-starter.

Haven't read much about the Hess allegations, but it seems far-fetched after the LW had run eight months of the Blitz. Perhaps Hess was so ill-informed he'd think the Brits would just forget that and join up, but who by this time hadn't heard Churchill's speeches? And who would think it plausible that he would back away from the "every beach, never surrender" rhetoric? On the other hand, I seem to remember Hess being described as not too bright. Perhaps he thought such a plan had a snowball's chance in Hell.

A real WWII conspiracy: the NaZis and the Soviets secretly decide to carve up Poland.

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Post by T. A. Gardner » 08 Sep 2020, 06:53

The most absurd is probably the Nazi U-boat base in Antarctica... That one is still trotted out today by some lunatics.

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Post by OpanaPointer » 08 Sep 2020, 09:55

maltesefalcon wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 01:23
OpanaPointer wrote:
07 Sep 2020, 18:57
Absurd: We dropped the bombs on Japan to scare the Russians.

Over the top: British divers put limpet mines on the OBBs in Battleship Row because the Japanese couldn't hit shit. (This one comes out of the belief that Pearl Harbor was too shallow for torpedoes.)
So....let me get this straight.
Japanese couldn't hit a battleship with a torpedo, so they aimed for (and hit) the limpet mines? :D
I'll assume that's not serious.
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Post by OpanaPointer » 08 Sep 2020, 09:56

T. A. Gardner wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 06:53
The most absurd is probably the Nazi U-boat base in Antarctica... That one is still trotted out today by some lunatics.
Boo! Nazi UFOs ftw.
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Post by Peter89 » 08 Sep 2020, 11:14

OpanaPointer wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 09:56
T. A. Gardner wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 06:53
The most absurd is probably the Nazi U-boat base in Antarctica... That one is still trotted out today by some lunatics.
Boo! Nazi UFOs ftw.
That one is probably coming down from the fact that the Germans had Arctic and Subarctic installations that were not discovered for decades (Weather Station Kurt) :D

The PH conspiracy is probably that popular because the US likes to use false casus bellis ever since it has been an actor in global politics :D

People just don't appreciate the importance of coincidences - but anyone who has ever been involved in any kind of complex decision making process, is aware that we can control a very few things only. Most things happen outside of our sphere of influence, a great number of things happen outside of the sphere of our knowledge, and there's still a huge room left for accidents, unfortunate and unforeseeable events :thumbsup:

But no worries, the world order that came to being after the World War II is about to change soon, so the importance of WW2 will be overshadowed like the WW1 is overshadowed by the WW2. :milsmile:
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Post by OpanaPointer » 08 Sep 2020, 12:50

The point is that the "LIHOP" (Let It Happen On Purpose) theory is just stupid. Saving the ships and lives by ambushing the attackers would have done much for FDR and given the nation a big ego boost to start the war on. LIHOP would mean that he would be in danger of his chicanery being exposed. The choice between the two options should be obvious to even an non-military person.
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Post by maltesefalcon » 08 Sep 2020, 15:42

OpanaPointer wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 09:55
maltesefalcon wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 01:23
OpanaPointer wrote:
07 Sep 2020, 18:57
Absurd: We dropped the bombs on Japan to scare the Russians.

Over the top: British divers put limpet mines on the OBBs in Battleship Row because the Japanese couldn't hit shit. (This one comes out of the belief that Pearl Harbor was too shallow for torpedoes.)
So....let me get this straight.
Japanese couldn't hit a battleship with a torpedo, so they aimed for (and hit) the limpet mines? :D
I'll assume that's not serious.
Your assumption is correct. No reason we can't have a little fun with this. :D

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Post by T. A. Gardner » 08 Sep 2020, 19:01

OpanaPointer wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 09:56
T. A. Gardner wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 06:53
The most absurd is probably the Nazi U-boat base in Antarctica... That one is still trotted out today by some lunatics.
Boo! Nazi UFOs ftw.
I left the UFO part out on purpose. That's just too lunatic.

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Post by OpanaPointer » 08 Sep 2020, 19:12

T. A. Gardner wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 19:01
OpanaPointer wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 09:56
T. A. Gardner wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 06:53
The most absurd is probably the Nazi U-boat base in Antarctica... That one is still trotted out today by some lunatics.
Boo! Nazi UFOs ftw.
I left the UFO part out on purpose. That's just too lunatic.
Really? In 1965 a trusted neighbor gave me all forty volumes of The Congressional Investigation into the Attack on Pearl Harbor. He had bought them the day they were available from the GPO.

"There's a smoking gun in there somewhere, boy. You're smart, you can find it."

Early in 1969 I advised him that I hadn't found any smoking gun. He was disappointed but not disabused.

When I was leaving for the Navy that Spring he revealed that he was a veteran, having served with George Washington at Valley Forge.

So, no, there is no "too lunatic" when it comes to conspiracy advocates.
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