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Id. rifle

Post by Sturm78 » 23 Oct 2019 20:22

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this rifle ?

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Post by Poot » 23 Oct 2019 22:02

It appears to be a modified Gewhr 98, often referred to by collectors as a 'Gewhr 98m.' The most significant change was the adoption of a new rear sight base and ladder to reflect the different ballistics of the heavier S.s. cartridge.
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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Hisname » 24 Oct 2019 12:55

Poot wrote:
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It appears to be a modified Gewhr 98, often referred to by collectors as a 'Gewhr 98m.' The most significant change was the adoption of a new rear sight base and ladder to reflect the different ballistics of the heavier S.s. cartridge.

You are absolutely right. Your answer is so accurate that I have nothing more to say))
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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Sturm78 » 25 Oct 2019 21:34

Thnaks for your help, Poot and Hisname

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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Poot » 26 Oct 2019 06:38

You're welcome, Sturm78!
I don't know when the photo in question was taken, but secondary weapons like the Gewehr 98 and many types of Beutewaffen were used for training purposes, which the photo appears to depict. The manual of arms was essentially the same between the Gewehr 98 and the K98k, with some relatively insignificant (for a training context) differences like overall length and a straight bolt (Gewehr 98) vs. a bent bolt (K98k).
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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Sep 2020 21:10

Hi all,

Can somebody identify the exact model of these rifles ? I would say some variant of the Mauser K98 but I am not expert in rifles..... :roll:

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Post by T. A. Gardner » 30 Sep 2020 21:43

Those are K98 rifles. They have the original front hood sight.

https://waffenmeisters.com/index.php?ro ... uct_id=147

This was removable and slid into grooves on the side of the post sight.

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Re: Id. rifle

Post by T. A. Gardner » 30 Sep 2020 21:48

Sturm78 wrote:
23 Oct 2019 20:22
Hi all,

Can somebody identify this rifle ?

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Although I can't tell for sure, the context of the picture is rifle training so it is possible that is the "Kadet" model of the K98 in .22 LR. This rifle is single shot so there's no magazine plate on the bottom ahead of the trigger guard but otherwise it is indistinguishable from a full bore K98 so it's hard to tell from a photo.

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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Sturm78 » 01 Oct 2020 14:02

Thanks for your help, T. A. Gardner :)

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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Poot » 01 Oct 2020 23:33

I concur, early production K98k rifles. I'd assume these are the typical 7.92X57 chambering, given the size of the cartridge cases on the left side of the photo.
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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Knouterer » 03 Oct 2020 08:15

Referring to the original question: there were many different "long" Mausers with the 1898 action produced in Germany, Czechoslovakia and Austria (Steyr), notably for various Latin American countries. Below is a picture of the Brazilian Model 1935 in 7 mm calibre. Hard to say how many of various types ended up in German hands in WWII. Apart from the markings, which are normally not visible in contemporary photos, identifying features can for example be sling swivels or as here a little hook under the forward barrel band for stacking:
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Re: Id. rifle

Post by Poot » 04 Oct 2020 18:50

Knouterer wrote:
03 Oct 2020 08:15
Referring to the original question: there were many different "long" Mausers with the 1898 action produced in Germany, Czechoslovakia and Austria (Steyr), notably for various Latin American countries...Hard to say how many of various types ended up in German hands in WWII.
Probably none of the Latin American types. I believe the Latin American contracts had been fulfilled before the beginning of WWII, and Czechoslovakia's own variant (the Vz.98/22) had already been eclipsed by Vz.24 production.
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