Luger drum magazines in WW2?

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Luger drum magazines in WW2?

Post by narikis » 16 Nov 2020 23:00

Two questions about these: Could a standard Luger P08 accept the 32-round "trommelmagazin" that was designed for the "Lange Pistole" during WW1, and also is there any record of drum magazines being used on Luger pistols (of any model) during WW2, even if only in a rear-line or "in extremis" situation?

I have heard that Germany produced a fairly high volume of those drum magazines for both Lugers and MP18s during WW1, so I would be surprised if there weren't at least a few still left during the 1940s that might have been pressed into service in some limited role. I know these magazines had their issues, but I also know that in the final months of the war Germany was pressing all kinds of weaponry into service, so I thought it was worth asking.

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Re: Luger drum magazines in WW2?

Post by von thoma » 17 Nov 2020 23:33

Not used in combat, but by police and auxiliary forces
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Post by peeved » 17 Nov 2020 23:49

Panzer type holding a mag in left hand and MP 18 on right shoulder in a fuzzy pic from exp. eBay.de (auction No. in pic name).

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Post by peeved » 19 Nov 2020 21:40

On the range from exp. eBay.de (auction No. in pic names).

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Post by audrew » 19 Nov 2020 21:49

German soldier holding a MP18/l in 1940.
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Re: Luger drum magazines in WW2?

Post by narikis » 19 Nov 2020 23:16

Thank you all for the replies. So a bit of use of MP18/1, but no Lugers with drum magazines. I guess that makes sense.

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Re: Luger drum magazines in WW2?

Post by audrew » 20 Nov 2020 12:29

P08 artillery drum mags
Men from 101 Troop, No. 6 Commando train around Inveray, Scotland, October 1941
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Re: Luger drum magazines in WW2?

Post by narikis » 20 Nov 2020 12:39

audrew wrote:
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P08 artillery drum mags
Ah, interesting. Who are these men and where/when was this photo?

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Post by Hans1906 » 20 Nov 2020 12:53

Interesting photo, thanks audrew

narikis, probably two soldiers from a british special commando unit, Tommy Gun and a Pistole 08 "Artillerie" with the drum magazine.
Not sure about the uniforms..?

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Post by haxtur » 21 Nov 2020 19:12

The last photo shows captain of Royal Engineers Gerald Montanaro, this photo it is in Wikimedia Commons, Montanaro was in Commandos and then in the SBS.

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Post by Hans1906 » 24 Nov 2020 21:52

Thanks haxtur,

very informative, a research about Gerald Montanaro showed up a lot of interesting informations,
still wonder, why he used the Pistole 08 "Artillerie" with the 32-rounds drum magazine?

Did he once mention the Luger pistol in his memoirs, that would be very interesting?

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Post by FiveStars » 27 Dec 2020 15:17

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France, 1940

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Re: Luger drum magazines in WW2?

Post by chitoryu12 » 28 Dec 2020 17:54

narikis wrote:
16 Nov 2020 23:00
Two questions about these: Could a standard Luger P08 accept the 32-round "trommelmagazin" that was designed for the "Lange Pistole" during WW1, and also is there any record of drum magazines being used on Luger pistols (of any model) during WW2, even if only in a rear-line or "in extremis" situation?

I have heard that Germany produced a fairly high volume of those drum magazines for both Lugers and MP18s during WW1, so I would be surprised if there weren't at least a few still left during the 1940s that might have been pressed into service in some limited role. I know these magazines had their issues, but I also know that in the final months of the war Germany was pressing all kinds of weaponry into service, so I thought it was worth asking.
The "snail drum" for the Luger and MP 18 are the exact same thing. The MP 18 just requires you to attach a sleeve that acts as a spacer to get it to fit in the magwell.

They were definitely not the preferred magazine by WW2. They're much more bulky and heavy than a stick mag of the same capacity, are a pain to load, and become useless for your MP 18 if you lose the spacer (which you have to remove to use the loading tool). The only reason the original MP 18 used it is because it was mandated by the army's requirements for this new weapon; as soon as they could, they dropped it for a box magazine of 30 rounds and the successor MP 28 used 20 and 32-round sticks.

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