DAK Order of Battle from 15. Panzer Division KTB

[Urmel]

Regardless, given the dates this would indicate that the KStN document in the OP was a theoretical KStN and not a real one.

[Leo Niehorster]

The annotations go out to at least October 1941, so I'm wondering a bit about the dating of this document now.

Where do you see an October annotation?

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Leo

[Urmel]

FEB box seems to me to be 10.41
Also Sanitätsdienste, hand-drawn unit seems to have 10.6.41 against it?

[Leo Niehorster]

FEB box seems to me to be 10.41

Nah, it's 10.04. The letters above overlap into the date.
Raising (Neuaufst.) FEB 33 on 10.4., to be ready (v.b.) by 1.5. (Order 2093 g.Kdos. 27.3.)

Also Sanitätsdienste, hand-drawn unit seems to have 10.6.41 against it?

The "os" of order 2447 g.Kdos. looks like a 10, but the date is 6.4.

Unfortunately, these annotations only noted the day and month, not the year.
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Leo

[Leo Niehorster]

Regardless, given the dates this would indicate that the KStN document in the OP was a theoretical KStN and not a real one.

Would you please explain what you mean by this statement?
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Leo

[ClintHardware]

15. Panzer Division 26.3.41

https://www.file-upload.net/en/download ... 4.jpg.html

[Leo Niehorster]

Hi Clint,

I don't see any major differences.
- motorcycle detachment was included in the division headquarters KStN. (Shown in KTB version for clarity ?)
- The sub-units shown next to the Panzer battalion symbol were included in the KStN. (Shown in KTB version for clarity ?)

• Except the armored engineer section — Which is a non-standard unit, and I don't know what KStN it would have had. Possibly detached from the Armored Engineer Company? With only 2 MG, it is probably a SPW-equipped unit.

- FEB 33 (raised after the date of the KTB diagram).
- Motorized Butcher Platoon 33, (deleted after the date of the KTB diagram).
- the Motorized Field Hospital 36, (raised after the date of the KTB diagram).
- Motorized Detachment with Spare Parts for Armored Vehicles (30 ton), (raised after the date of the KTB diagram).

Only real difference:
- the 13th and 14th motor transport companies.

• A motorized fuel transport company had the same number and type of trucks as a motor transport company. The former had some specialized, fuel-handling personnel.) Possibly there weren't enough trucks to form a 60ton motorized transport company?

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Leo

[Urmel]

Regardless, given the dates this would indicate that the KStN document in the OP was a theoretical KStN and not a real one.

Would you please explain what you mean by this statement?
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Leo

Just working from memory.

This KStN was not realised in 1941. E.g. 3. and 7. Kp of PR8 didn't join until 22 December 1941. Elements of AR33 were sunk in the Lampo convoy and not replaced until much later. SR104 was handed over to 21.PD at some point.

So in practice the division looked quite different in North Africa, and this KStN cannot be used as a guide for what it fielded through the year.

[Urmel]

FEB box seems to me to be 10.41

Nah, it's 10.04. The letters above overlap into the date.
Raising (Neuaufst.) FEB 33 on 10.4., to be ready (v.b.) by 1.5. (Order 2093 g.Kdos. 27.3.)

Also Sanitätsdienste, hand-drawn unit seems to have 10.6.41 against it?

The "os" of order 2447 g.Kdos. looks like a 10, but the date is 6.4.

Unfortunately, these annotations only noted the day and month, not the year.
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Leo

Danke!

[ClintHardware]

Thanks Leo and Urmel for your comments. I will add the pages I copy-typed from later.

[ClintHardware]

Sorry, file-upload.net isn't working for some reason.
If someone else has the T315 Roll 655 then its 0325.jpg - 0338.jpg that I would have displayed here.

[Urmel]

665?

[ClintHardware]

Hi Urmel

Yes T315 Roll 665 - sorry.