Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

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Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 30 Jan 2021 05:28

Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy (as in, having more than one wife--so, polygyny) after World War II for European ethnic groups in order to compensate for the extremely massive demographic losses that Soviet men suffered as a result of World War II? As far as I know, some Soviet European ethnic groups, such as Russians, had just 60 men (or slightly more than that) for every 100 women among the younger age cohorts right after the end of World War II.

Limiting this to European ethnic groups would prevent the issue of Muslim polygamy, for what it's worth.

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by wm » 30 Jan 2021 16:21

Basic morality. The communists held all their people to high moral standards.

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 30 Jan 2021 17:43

wm wrote:
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Basic morality. The communists held all their people to high moral standards.
And polygamy does not indicate a high moral standard?

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by wm » 30 Jan 2021 18:20

In a country where abortion was banned and divorce almost impossible such ideas would earn you at least ten years of hard labor.
The USSR was actually a quite conservative state, if you needed a progressive one Nazi Germany was available.

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 30 Jan 2021 18:38

wm wrote:
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In a country where abortion was banned and divorce almost impossible such ideas would earn you at least ten years of hard labor.
The USSR was actually a quite conservative state, if you needed a progressive one Nazi Germany was available.
In regards to abortion, though, banning it actually made sense if one wanted to increase population growth. But of course the same logic would likewise apply to legalizing polygamy (specifically polygyny). After all, didn't the Soviets want their motherland to be as populous and as strong as possible to be able to effectively protect itself from predatory capitalist imperialists?

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 30 Jan 2021 18:39

Also, just how exactly was Nazi Germany progressive?

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by wm » 30 Jan 2021 18:44

Although they banned abortion in 1936...

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 02 Feb 2021 06:42

Yes, and?

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by wm » 06 Feb 2021 21:17

I meant the ban wasn't enacted because of the results of the ww2. It seems the reason for the ban isn't well known even today.

The Soviet communists implemented mostly old 19th-century ideas, the Nazis improved upon them considerably.
Today progressivism is mostly pointless radicalism for radicalism's sake but at the beginning of the 20th century, it was a real improvement of the lives of common people.

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 07 Feb 2021 23:43

Yeah, the Soviet abortion ban had nothing to do with World War II; I'm just saying that polygyny for non-Muslims after the end of World War II would have also helped solve the Soviet Union's demographic issues that occurred as a result of World War II.

Also, interestingly enough, didn't early 20th century progressives also advocate in favor of eugenics--and not always the voluntary kind either? Nowadays, there appears to be some kind of resurgence for eugenics, especially among hereditarians, but only of the voluntary kind, thankfully. :)

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 08 Feb 2021 12:27

I recall reading that in the post-WWII USSR there was a large increase in women sharing households. I guess this was one way of compensating for the shortage of men for company and income.

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by wm » 15 Feb 2021 23:24

Futurist wrote:
07 Feb 2021 23:43
Also, interestingly enough, didn't early 20th century progressives also advocate in favor of eugenics--and not always the voluntary kind either? Nowadays, there appears to be some kind of resurgence for eugenics, especially among hereditarians, but only of the voluntary kind, thankfully. :)
There are entire books on this subject.
Throughout the first six decades of the twentieth century, hundreds of thousands of Americans and untold numbers of others were not permitted to continue their families by reproducing. Selected because of their ancestry, national origin, race or religion, they were forcibly sterilized, wrongly committed to mental institutions where they died in great numbers, prohibited from marrying, and sometimes even unmarried by state bureaucrats.

In America, this battle to wipe out whole ethnic groups was fought not by armies with guns nor by hate sects at the margins. Rather, this pernicious white-gloved war was prosecuted by esteemed professors, elite universities, wealthy industrialists and government officials colluding in a racist, pseudoscientific movement called eugenics. The purpose: create a superior Nordic race. To perpetuate the campaign, widespread academic fraud combined with almost unlimited corporate philanthropy to establish the biological rationales for persecution. Employing a hazy amalgam of guesswork, gossip, falsified information and polysyllabic academic arrogance, the eugenics movement slowly constructed a national bureaucratic and juridical infrastructure to cleanse America of its "unfit." Specious intelligence tests, colloquially known as IQ tests, were invented to justify incarceration of a group labeled "feebleminded."
Often the so-called feebleminded were just shy, too good-natured to be taken seriously, or simply spoke the wrong language or were the wrong color. Mandatory sterilization laws were enacted in some twenty-seven states to prevent targeted individuals from reproducing more of their kind. Marriage prohibition laws proliferated throughout the country to stop race mixing.
Collusive litigation was taken to the U.S. Supreme Court, which sanctified eugenics and its tactics. The goal was to immediately sterilize fourteen million people in the United States and millions more worldwide-the "lower tenth"-and then continuously eradicate the remaining lowest tenth until only a pure Nordic super race remained.

Ultimately, some 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized and the total is probably much higher. No one knows how many marriages were thwarted by state felony statutes. Although much of the persecution was simply racism, ethnic hatred and academic elitism, eugenics wore the mantle of respectable science to mask its true character. The victims of eugenics were poor urban dwellers and rural "white trash" from New England to California, immigrants from across Europe, Blacks, Jews, Mexicans, Native Americans, epileptics, alcoholics, petty criminals, the mentally ill and anyone else who did not resemble the blond and blue-eyed Nordic ideal the eugenics movement glorified. Eugenics contaminated many otherwise worthy social, medical and educational causes from the birth control movement to the development of psychology to urban sanitation. Psychologists persecuted their patients. Teachers stigmatized their students. Charitable associations clamored to send those in need of help to lethal chambers they hoped would be constructed. Immigration assistance bureaus connived to send the most needy to sterilization mills. Leaders of the ophthalmology profession conducted a long and chilling political campaign to round up and coercively sterilize every relative of every American with a vision problem.
War Against the Weak by Edwin Black

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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Futurist » 16 Feb 2021 02:26

Truly repulsive and completely unacceptable! :( Extremely sad! :(


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Re: Why didn't the Soviet Union allow polygamy after World War II for European ethnic groups?

Post by Martin_from_Valhalla » 16 Feb 2021 09:12

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