Die Panzerknacker - the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by GWorldmann » 24 Jan 2021, 16:10

German Cross in Gold, Tank Destruction Strip, Paratrooper Badge, Ground Combat Badge, EK1, EK2 ribbon in the buttonhole, Wound Badge, Kreta Cuff Title
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Leutnant Georg Müller (1914-?)

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Georg Paul Müller
*19.09.1914 [Bad] Karlshafen / Hessen-Nassau
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Vater: Ernst Müller, Schneidermeister
Mutter: Anna Müller, geb. Berger
17.02.1940 Heirat mit Hedwig Heng

01.04.1933 Kraftfahrer
01.10.1934 Gefreiter
01.04.1935 Unteroffizier
01.10.1938 Feldwebel
01.12.1940 Oberfeldwebel
01.07.1944 Leutnant mit RDA vom 01.04.1944 (1162)

01.04.1933 Eintritt in die 2. / Kraftfahrkampfabteilung 7 (Würzburg)
01.10.1934 in der Kampfwagenabwehrabteilung 17 (Würzburg)
15.10.1935 in der Panzerabwehrabteilung 38 (Ohrdruf)
06.10.1936 in der Panzerabwehrabteilung 33 (Landau)
26.08.1939 in der Panzerabwehrabteilung 263
01.08.1943 in der Panzerjägerabteilung 664
19.08.1943 wieder in der Panzerjägerabteilung 263
24.10.1943 in der Panzerjägerersatzabteilung 33
08.12.1943 kommandiert zum Fahnenjunkerlehrgang auf dem Truppenübungsplatz Wischau
28.03.1944 kommandiert zum Offizierlehrgang

01.04.1937 Dienstauszeichnung IV. Klasse
02.08.1941 EK II
10.11.1941 EK I
23.11.1941 Sturmabzeichen
30.07.1942 Ostmedaille
25.08.1942 Panzervernichtungsabzeichen

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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by Michael Dorosh » 15 Feb 2021, 23:57

mkrivchenko wrote:
17 Feb 2019, 15:21
Wilhelm Finkbeiner
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Hi there - I'm working on a history of the 65th Division and was wondering if you could share more info on this photograph? I've not seen it before.

Finkbeiner I recognize, but wondering who the red arrows are pointing out, and if you would happen to know the date?

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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by Porsche » 18 Feb 2021, 01:44

Finkbeiner was awarded the knights cross on the 20th July 1944, so the photo was either on that date or pretty soon afterwards.

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Oberleutnant Heinrich Müller (1914-1944)

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*06.02.1914 Widdeshoven / Rheinland
+16.12.1944 bei Monschau (gefallen)

Vater: Johann Müller (1884-?), Gemeindeangestellter
Mutter: Veronika Müller, geb. Lottek (1883-?)
[?] Heirat mit Gertrud Müller

29.10.1935 Jäger
01.10.1936 Gefreiter
01.07.1940 Unteroffizier
01.04.1942 Feldwebel
01.12.1942 Leutnant d.R.
31.03.1943 Leutnant mit RDA vom 01.12.1942 (2257)
20.02.1944 Oberleutnant mit RDA vom 01.12.1943 (286)

29.10.1935 Einberufung zur 14. (PzAbw) / Gebirgsjägerregiment 99 (Augsburg)
06.10.1936 in der 14. (PzAbw) / Gebirgsjägerregiment 99 (Füssen) [laut Stellenbesetzung]
25.09.1937 ausgeschieden

Zivilberuf: Gärtner

27.08.1939 Einberufung zur 7. / Infanterieregiment 464
01.07.1940 Gruppenführer in der 7. / Infanterieregiment 464
29.09.1940 Grupenführer in der 5. / Infanterieregiment 464
13.09.1941 wieder Gruppenführer in der 7. / Infanterieregiment 464
02.04.1942 Zugführer in der 7. / Infanterieregiment 464
03.04.1943 mit der stellvertretenden Führung der 7. / Grenadierregiment 464 beauftragt
19.07.1943 mit der Führung der 7. / Grenadierregiment 464 beauftragt
27.11.1943 zugeteilt dem Grenadierersatz- und Ausbildungsbataillon 464
28.03.1944 Führerreserve HGr Mitte
27.04.1944 Chef der 3. / Grenadierregiment 464
10.07.1944 zugeteilt dem Grenadierersatz- und Ausbildungsbataillon 453
29.09.1944 Chef der 2. / Feldersatzbataillon 326

15.09.1940 Infanteriesturmabzeichen
17.11.1941 EK II
11.03.1942 EK I
15.03.1942 Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz
20.07.1942 Ostmedaille
12.08.1942 Panzervernichtungsabzeichen
27.04.1943 Nahkampfspange in Bronze
06.11.1943 Nennung im Ehrenblatt des Deutschen Heeres
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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by Hans1906 » 27 Feb 2021, 17:03

Just a little question, what did the original award documents look like for this award ?

Thank you very much...

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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by Porsche » 02 Mar 2021, 00:20

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Hi Hans, there were some elaborate award documents, but these appear to have been awarded only to Luftwaffe personnel, as far as I can remember, I've never seen an authenticated one given to any non-Luftwaffe personnel. More usual is the Bescheinigung, the in-field award given at the time. These are hotly debated by collectors as they're easy to fake. I've attached one of mine so that you have an example of what you're asking for.

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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by Porsche » 04 Mar 2021, 23:37

Rudolf Donth, Fschm. Rgt. 4. RKT (14/01/1945) and 1PVA (22/04/1944).
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Re: Die Panzerknacker- the holders of the tank destruction badge

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Post by Porsche » 06 Mar 2021, 17:14

Porsche wrote:
02 Mar 2021, 00:20
1307 PVA Award Document.jpgHi Hans, there were some elaborate award documents, but these appear to have been awarded only to Luftwaffe personnel, as far as I can remember, I've never seen an authenticated one given to any non-Luftwaffe personnel. More usual is the Bescheinigung, the in-field award given at the time. These are hotly debated by collectors as they're easy to fake. I've attached one of mine so that you have an example of what you're asking for.
Having said that the 'more ornate documents' were limited to Luftwaffe troops, I've now had a refresh from the Breyette/Bender book where there are some semi official documents included, one to a Hauptscharführer in SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt.3 Deutschland and another very ornate example (with a drawing) from 3./Jg.Rgt.430.
If you're interested in the PVA, then the Breyette/Bender reference is the 'go-to' book. However, a more recent book is Dirk Schneider's 'Das Panzervernichtungsabzeichen sowie das Tieffliegervernichtungsabzeichen'
I've attached a photo of a more official document from Dirk's book, this was to a Luftwaffe Obergefreiter.
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Leutnant Herbert Müller (1923-?)

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Post by askropp » 06 Mar 2021, 23:36

Herbert Kurt Artur Müller
*03.08.1923 Liegnitz
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Vater: Hermann Müller, Kutscher
Mutter: Luise Müller, geb. Peukert

01.08.1943 Leutnant d.R.
01.05.1944 Leutnant mit RDA vom 01.10.1943 (2265)

09.02.1942 Eintritt in die Nachrichtenersatzbatterie 213
06.06.1942 in der 6. / Artillerieersatzabteilung II/213
08.08.1942 in der 4. / Artillerieersatzabteilung II/213
08.09.1942 in der 10. / Artillerieregiment 252
10.11.1942 in der 10. / Grenadierregiment 7
06.03.1943 in der Stammkompanie des Grenadierersatzbataillons 7
15.04.1943 kommandiert zum 13. Fahnenjunkerlehrgang (bis 23.07.)
14.08.1943 Führerreserve HGr A
13.09.1943 Zugführer in der 6. / Grenadierregiment 668
25.09.1943 verwundet (bei der Truppe verblieben)
15.10.1943 mit der stellvertretenden Führung der 6. / Grenadierregiment 668 beauftragt
18.10.1943 verwundet, danach Lazarett
11.12.1943 zugeteilt dem Grenadierersatzbataillon 444
20.01.1944 mit der Führung der 9. / Grenadierregiment 461 beauftragt
02.04.1944 mit der Führung der 10. / Grenadierregiment 461 beauftragt

05.10.1943 Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz
16.10.1943 EK II
10.12.1943 Panzervernichtungsabzeichen
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