Understood, thanks.
fontessa
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IANHULKMCLEOD wrote: ↑28 Mar 2021, 20:29Hello Fontessa
Material reading room is correct I remember now but don`t have the kanji/ paperwork any more unfortunately!
The only thing a recall was the number 140 and kanji symbol looked like an E after the figure though on reflection could have meant complement for the Kuretake as casualties and survivors were unknown?
Thanks for the info.
Does anyone know what time US Pacific Fleet vessels used in places with time differences? Hawaii time?fontessa wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 11:33According to Razorback action report, the situation of Kuretake sank on December 30th was as follows:
- 12:30: Razorback found the convoy of four merchant ships including one 8,000 ton tanker with two escorts
- 12:45: Razorback fired 6 torpedoes from front tubes against a tanker and a destroyer
- 12:58: Razorback fired 4 torpedoes from rear tubes against Kuretake, the torpedos blew her bow and she stopped
- 13:45: Razorback fired 2 torpedoes from front tubes and these caused Kuretake to sink
I would like to agree with the above.Berend wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:43It seems likeliest that Kuretake initially escorted Enoura Maru and Brazil Maru that were carrying POWs – 1070 on Enoura Maru and 236 on Brazil Maru. Both departed [North] San Fernando 27 December with unknown escort (presumed
Kuretake and smaller ships) for Takao (arrived safely 31 Dec).
the convoy was composed of two parts perhaps MATA-38A consisting of Enoura and Brazil Marus and MATA-38B composed of the 4 ships listed by Komamiya.
I think the above times were Hawaii time. (IJN ships used Tokyo time even in places with time differences.) If so, the sinking time of Kuretake mentioned above was 13:45 Hawaii time and 20:45 Japan time, which is consistent with the Wartime Diary "1 Pete submarine suppression in night".fontessa wrote: ↑25 Apr 2021, 11:33According to Razorback action report, the situation of Kuretake sank on December 30th was as follows:
- 12:30: Razorback found the convoy of four merchant ships including one 8,000 ton tanker with two escorts
- 12:45: Razorback fired 6 torpedoes from front tubes against a tanker and a destroyer
- 12:58: Razorback fired 4 torpedoes from rear tubes against Kuretake, the torpedos blew her bow and she stopped
- 13:45: Razorback fired 2 torpedoes from front tubes and these caused Kuretake to sink
兵団文字符 Unit Code Letter of 10th Division was “Tetsu”, not “Kurigane”. These are different readings of the same kanji 鐵or 鉄 (Iron)Berend wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 17:58this is reply from Peter
There is a mystery surrounding TAMA-36 that departed Takao 0500 14 December and supposedly arrived San Fernando 23 December (or 25th December). The convoy carried the 10th Army (Kurogane) Division and moved slowly down the coast of W Luzon to avoid attack. Even so Kenzui Maru 乾瑞丸 in the convoy was torpedoed and sunk on 22 December 9 miles N of N San Fernando. Komamiya shows the other three ships in the convoy as Yuzan Maru 裕山丸 (19, 6039 but with wrong kanji prefix), Hokko Maru 北江丸(40, 5385) and Fukuju Maru 福寿丸 (19, 5293). None of these three ships appear likely, the latter two had already seen sunk! Enoshima Maru 江ノ島丸 (43, 6933 2A) was in the convoy likely with Juichisei Maru 十一星丸 (known in Allied records as Hoshi Maru No.11 (43, 1945 1D) but the ships diverted to Aparri with Kanju as escort. After unloading 3500 troops and foodstuffs (From Enoshima Maru- Juichisei Maru’s cargo unknown but likely barges or armoured vehicles given ship was a 1D type) they departed 26th December and arrived back at Takao 29th December.
In terms of the remaining identities in the 27-31 December return convoy (that I have provisionally labelled MATA-38A) it seems now there were likely 3 ships being Brazil Maru 伯剌西爾丸 , Enoura Maru 江ノ浦丸and Daii Maru 大威丸(44, 6886 2A). Daii Maru was known to be at Takao 3 January 1945. It seems very likely that this ship sailed with Brazil Maru and Enoura Maru.
So in summary TAMA-36 consisted of 6 not 4 ships, of which two (Enoshima Maru and Juichisei/Hoshi Maru No.11) went to Aparri and 4 (Kenzui- sunk, Enoura, Brazil and Daii Marus) to San Fernando.
I would be interested to know if you have records for the 10th Army (Kurogane) Division that could confirm Brazil, Enoura and Daii Marus being in TAMA-36 as well as arrival and departure dates etc.”
Berend wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 17:58this is reply from Peter
With regards to escorts in the 27-31 December [MATA-38A?] convoy the account says Kuretake and 3 subchasers. It is known via Tokusetsu Kansen the small auxiliary submarine chaser Ayugawa Maru 鮎川丸arrived Takao from the Philippines on 31 December so this may well have been an escort. The others were probably large IJN subchasers. The likeliest would be CH-17, CH-37, CH-38, CHa-176, CHa-177 and CHa-191. CH-18 was sunk with 30 December MATA-38 convoy and CH-21 is linked with this ship and arrived Takao 2 January 1945 implying it wasn’t with the Brazil Maru convoy.
After Kuretake was sunk a number of auxiliary submarine chasers are shown as being ordered to search for survivors. These included Ayugawa Maru, CHa-151, CHa-163, CHa-176, CHa-177, Yoko Maru, Kiyo Maru and Kochi Maru. Apart from Ayugawa Maru already noted, some of these may have also been associated with the latter stages of the convoy.
We are looking at the same page?fontessa wrote: ↑28 Mar 2021, 00:14Kuretake sank on 30 December 1944.
The following orders were issued on the same day.
(1) The following ships (stationed at Takao) will be dispatched as soon as they are ready, and the submarine sweeping and rescue of Kuretake survivors will be carried out at 21 ° 00'N and 121 ° 22'E.”
41st Minesweeper (Command Ship)
4 Numbered (151st, 163rd, 176th and 177th) Auxiliary Sub-chasers
4 Unnumbered Auxiliary Sub-chasers (Yoko Maru, Ayukawa Maru, Kiyo Maru and Kochi Maru)
43rd Destroyer Divisionijnfleetadmiral wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 03:23UME
Laid Down: 25 January 1944 at Fujinagata Shipbuilding, Osaka, Japan
Launched: 24 April 1944
Commissioned: 28 June 1944
Fate: Sunk by aerial attack 31 January 1945 20 miles S of Formosa; 77 dead, 36 wounded.
Commanding Officers
(CEO) - LCDR ONISHI Yoshiharu (61) - 6 June 1944 - 28 June 1944
LCDR ONISHI Yoshiharu (61) - 28 June 1944 - 31 January 1945
Torpedo Officers
(EO) - LT MATSUO Keiji (67) - 8 June 1944 - 28 June 1944
LT MATSUO Keiji (67) - 28 June 1944 - 31 January 1945
Gunnery Officers
(EO) - LT YAMAZAKI Yoshinori (70) - 8 June 1944 - 28 June 1944
LT / LCDR* YAMAZAKI Yoshinori (70) - 28 June 1944 - 31 January 1945 (KIA)
Navigators
(EO) - LTJG NAKAJIMA Susumu (Res.) - 8 June 1944 - 28 June 1944
LTJG / LT* NAKAJIMA Susumu (Res.) - 28 June 1944 - 31 January 1945
Chief Engineers
(EO) - LTJG NAKAMURA Shinkichi (Spec. Duty) – 3 May 1944 - 28 June 1944
LTJG NAKAMURA Shinkichi (Spec. Duty) - 28 June 1944 - 31 January 1945
Surgeons
(EO) - (S) ENS OKOSHIRO Hirotake (??) - 8 June 1944 - 28 June 1944
(S) ENS OKOSHIRO Hirotake (??) - 28 June 1944 - 15 July 1944
??? - 15 July 1944 - 31 January 1945
Paymasters
(EO) - (P) LTJG KAJIMA Kenjiro (??) - 3 June 1944 - 28 June 1944
(P) LTJG KAJIMA Kenjiro (??) - 28 June 1944 - 15 July 1944
??? - 15 July 1944 - 31 January 1945
Others are OK.Rob Stuart wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 12:12At http://www.combinedfleet.com/HiryuKodo_040542_2.jpg there is an annotated copy of a page from Hiryu's 5 April 1942 kodo. (It is from Jon Parshall's "Another Trip To The Drive-thru".) An annotated portion of the text claims that 8 Swordfish were shot down. In the block of text below that, all I can read are the figures 19 and 2. Can anyone say what this text means? Could it be 19 enemy fighters shot down and 2 damaged, or 19 fighters shot down and 2 probably shot down, or something else entirely?