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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by nuyt » 15 May 2021, 20:33

shultz wrote:
15 May 2021, 18:01
nuyt wrote:
13 May 2021, 20:03
Indeed. I also think the Obice is possibly without its wheels (after all it was pack) and resting with the front of the box trail carriage on the earth. There is dirt below the shield and between the ammo boxes, so the lower end of the box trail might be resting on the floor of the dugout or hanging on the edge (so the crew sit in the dugout. The shield might be non regular one, field adaptation perhaps.
Hy Nuyt, that's not a 75/13!
I know this Skoda howitzer very well personally, there is a piece in the museum of my city (and I have helped to restore it) and there are others within a few kilometers from my house; and I can rule that "the thing" is NOT a 75/13, even if reduced to scrap .
I'm sorry, the mystery still remains .

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ok, no problem :D

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by shultz » 16 May 2021, 15:23

VRIL7 wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 21:06
Hello everybody,
Who knows in what year pneumatic wheels began to be installed on Italian guns? Are these post-war modifications?
Thanks in advance.

Italy artillery.jpg
Hi Andriy, Italy has been experimenting with mounting tires on carriage from the late 1930s to the end of World War II.
The cannons in your photos are in the updated post-war version.
In particular, the 149 is in the 149/19 Mod. 42/50 version, which fired by resting the carriage on the ground (wheels raised).
There is another model, 149/19 Mod. 41/51, which fired directly on the wheels; the way of towing was also different between the two models.
I'll put you a photo of 42/50 during a parade in the early 1950s, and photos of the two versions taken from the Italian military manual.
149-19 Mod. 42-50 al traino (collez. Virdis).jpg
149/19 Mod. 42/50 towed, early '50s parade
149-19 Mod. 42-50.jpg
149/19 Mod. 42/50 , from the military manual of the gun
149-19 Mod. 41-51 al traino.jpg
149/19 Mod. 41/51 ready for towing, from the manual of the gun
149-19 Mod. 41-51 in batteria.JPG
149/19 Mod. 41/51 ready for firing , from the manual of the gun
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 16 May 2021, 16:59

shultz wrote:
16 May 2021, 15:23
Hi Andriy, Italy has been experimenting with mounting tires on carriage from the late 1930s to the end of World War II.
The cannons in your photos are in the updated post-war version.
In particular, the 149 is in the 149/19 Mod. 42/50 version, which fired by resting the carriage on the ground (wheels raised).
There is another model, 149/19 Mod. 41/51, which fired directly on the wheels; the way of towing was also different between the two models.
I'll put you a photo of 42/50 during a parade in the early 1950s, and photos of the two versions taken from the Italian military manual.
Thank you so much Schultz! :thumbsup:

Are there photographs of experimental carts, with the installation of pneumatic tires from the Second World War or the late 30s?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 16 May 2021, 17:41

Here is another photo from Spain. Who knows what kind of anti-aircraft gun it is?
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 16 May 2021, 18:03

Thanks Jos!
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 18 May 2021, 08:30

Hello everybody,
What is this anti-aircraft gun on the Atlantic rampart in France?
Thanks.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Grzesio » 18 May 2021, 09:35

Naval 10,5 cm SK C/32.

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Post by VRIL7 » 18 May 2021, 10:37

Thanks Grzesio!
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 22 May 2021, 21:05

karlik wrote:
17 Apr 2021, 20:00
Hi!
Unknow AA gun
Hello,
In the book "Artyleria Ladowa 1871-1970" it is signed as a 66-mm universal Skoda cannon:
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ALVF » 23 May 2021, 18:24

Hello,

Some time ago, "Sturm78" had posted this photograph:
220 L affût-chenilles.jpg
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It is a very, very "rare Bird"!
This is the "canon de 220 L modèle 1917 sur affût-chenilles Schneider".
This unique prototype is ready in februar 1918 and tested on Calais firing range in march 1918.
The gun gives satisfaction on the road with heavy tractors Latil but during the firing the rear wheels sink in the ground.
The formula is abandoned and Schneider built the far more modern self-propelled mount, ready in early 1919 months.

The gun at Calais in march 1918:
220 L affût-chenilles 1918.jpg
The photograph posted by "Sturm78" is taken in 1940 at Bourges, the gun was used for testing shells.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 23 May 2021, 19:06

ALVF wrote:
23 May 2021, 18:24
It is a very, very "rare Bird"!
This is the "canon de 220 L modèle 1917 sur affût-chenilles Schneider".
This unique prototype is ready in februar 1918 and tested on Calais firing range in march 1918.
The gun gives satisfaction on the road with heavy tractors Latil but during the firing the rear wheels sink in the ground.
The formula is abandoned and Schneider built the far more modern self-propelled mount, ready in early 1919 months.

The gun at Calais in march 1918:
220 L affût-chenilles 1918.jpg

The photograph posted by "Sturm78" is taken in 1940 at Bourges, the gun was used for testing shells.
Thanks to François for the interesting information and unique photo. I wonder why there was such a heavy carriage, if in the same year a more perfect and lightweight one was built?
SCHNEIDER  220 long Mle 1917_1.jpg
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 23 May 2021, 22:12

Thank you very much for your information about this rare gun, Guy François... :wink:

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ALVF » 24 May 2021, 08:56

Hello,

The 220 L modèle 1917 Schneider was studied with three models of carriage:

-1: the gun in current service (100 guns made): in two loads tracted by heavy tractors Latil TAR. The first two "Groupes" (with 16 guns) were ready...in november 1918.
-2: the "affût-chenilles" in only one load (my photograph) tracted by heavy tractors or "caterpillar" in difficult ground. The load was too heavy and the firing difficult (wheels sink in the ground).
-3: the self-propelled gun, very modern for his time, ready in 1919 and built in small number because the war was finished.
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Guy François.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by VRIL7 » 26 May 2021, 12:19

ALVF wrote:
24 May 2021, 08:56
Hello,

The 220 L modèle 1917 Schneider was studied with three models of carriage:

-1: the gun in current service (100 guns made): in two loads tracted by heavy tractors Latil TAR. The first two "Groupes" (with 16 guns) were ready...in november 1918.
-2: the "affût-chenilles" in only one load (my photograph) tracted by heavy tractors or "caterpillar" in difficult ground. The load was too heavy and the firing difficult (wheels sink in the ground).
-3: the self-propelled gun, very modern for his time, ready in 1919 and built in small number because the war was finished.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.
Hello Guy François,
Thank you very much for the informative answer.
I came across an image of a French 105mm cannon with an extremely long barrel. Can you help me with the information and technical characteristics of this gun? Perhaps you have good quality images? I would really appreciate it.
105mm gun.jpg
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Andriy

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