How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

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How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 23 May 2021 09:48

Does anybody not find it puzzling that what Adolf Hitler told the Germans that he wanted the future Germans to be was in fact the complete oppose of what he was himself?

1. He wasn't German. He was born in Austria-Hungary to Austrian parents.

2. He had dark brown hair, although it's true that he had blue eyes.

3. He was only of average height, certainly nothing like his SS men.

4. He was very lazy and he was not physically fit.

5. His ancestry remains a mystery. He spend so much time preaching about racial purity but ignored the fact that he never really knew who his paternal grandfather was.

I just can't understand why the Germans of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s found him so appealing. What was it exactly?

Look at all of the top Nazis - Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Goering, Joseph Goebbels, etc, and none of them really looked Nordic, apart from Reinhard Heydrich.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by Jan-Hendrik » 23 May 2021 15:39

I just can't understand why the Germans of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s found him so appealing. What was it exactly?
Was it so?

In free elections the NSDAP never got a total majority....

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by ljadw » 23 May 2021 17:13

Is there any proof that the Germans believed that the Nordic race existed and that it was superior ,and to whom ?

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 23 May 2021 18:34

Jan-Hendrik wrote:
23 May 2021 15:39
I just can't understand why the Germans of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s found him so appealing. What was it exactly?
Was it so?

In free elections the NSDAP never got a total majority....

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The Nazi Party was by far the biggest political party in the Reichstag when Hitler came to power.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 23 May 2021 18:54

ljadw wrote:
23 May 2021 17:13
Is there any proof that the Germans believed that the Nordic race existed and that it was superior ,and to whom ?
Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler and other Nazis all wrote and spoke about the alleged superiority of the Nordic race over other races and aimed to make Germany a predominantly Nordic country.
Today a new faith is awakening—the Myth of the blood; the belief that to defend the blood is also to defend the divine nature of man in general. It is a belief, effulgent with the brightest knowledge, that Nordic blood represents that mystery which has overcome and replaced the older sacraments.
On the other hand, heroism is basic to the character of the Nordic peoples. This heroism of the ancient mythic period—and this is what is decisive—has never been lost, despite times of decline, so long as the Nordic blood was still alive. Heroism, in fact, took many forms, from the warrior nobility of Siegfried or Hercules to the intellectual nobility of Copernicus and Leonardo, the religious nobility of Eckehart and Lagarde, or the political nobility of Frederick the Great and Bismarck, and its substance has remained the same.
No people of Europe is racially homogeneous, also Germany is not. According to the latest research, we accept five races all of which reveal perceptibly different types. But it is beyond question that the true culture bearer for Europe has been in the first place the Nordic race. Great heroes, artists and founders of states have grown from this blood.
Alfred Rosenberg, The Myth of the Twentieth Century
I shall have no peace of mind until I have planted a seed of Nordic blood wherever the population stand in need of regeneration. If at the time of the migrations, while the great racial currents were exercising their influence, our people received so varied a share of attributes, these latter blossomed to their full value only because of the presence of the Nordic racial nucleus.
Adolf Hitler
The ultimate aim for those 11 years during which I have been the Reichsfuehrer SS has been invariably the same: to create an order of good blood which is able to serve Germany; which unfailingly and without sparing itself can be made use of because the greatest losses can do no harm to the vitality of this order, the vitality of these men, because they will always be replaced; to create an order which will spread the idea of Nordic blood so far that we will attract all Nordic blood in the world, take away the blood from our adversaries, absorb it so that never again, looking at it from the viewpoint of grand policy, Nordic blood, in great quantities and to an extent worth mentioning, will fight against us.
Heinrich Himmler
The principal ingredient of our people is the Nordic race (55%). That is not to say that half our people are pure Nordics. All of the aforementioned races appear in mixtures in all parts of our fatherland. The circumstance, however, that the great part of our people is of Nordic descent justifies us taking a Nordic standpoint when evaluating our character and spirit, bodily structure, and physical beauty.
Propaganda to Hitler Youth members
Race

Race means to be able to think in a certain way. He who has courage, loyalty and honor, the mark of the German, has the race that should rule in Germany, even if he does not have the physical characteristics of the “Nordic” race. The unity of the noble and a noble body is the goal to which we strive. But we despise those whose noble body carries an ignoble soul. §A variety of related European races have merged in Germany. One trunk grew from these roots. Each race gave its best strength. Each contributed to the German soul We Germans have a fighting spirit, a look to the horizon, the “desire to do a thing for its own sake” of the Nordic race. Another racial soul gave us our cozy old cities and our depth. Yet another racial soul gave us mastery of the magical realm of music. Yet another gave us our ability to organize, and our silent obedience. §We can not hold it against anyone if he carries a variety of racial lines, for the German soul does as well, and created out of it the immeasurable riches which it possesses above all other nations. The greatness of our Reich grew out of this soul. §But the Nordic race must dominate in Germany and shape the soul of each German. It must win out in the breast of each individual. Today our ideal is not the artist or the citizen, but the hero. §Our highest treasure is the soul that we have been given. He who mixes his blood with that of foreign inferior races ruins the blood and soul that have been given to him to pass on in purity to his children. He makes his children impure and miserable, and commits the greatest crime that he as a National Socialist can commit. §But he who follows the laws of race fulfills the great commandment that only like should be brought together with like, keeping apart those things like fire and water which do not mix.
Faith and Action
Blood is the tie that holds us together on earth as a God-ordained whole. We see this race and the maintenance of racial purity, as well as the preservation of our German, Nordic, Aryan race as obedience to a natural law for humanity.
Hans Schemm
There are races that share characteristics and traits, such that when they interbreed, a relatively uniform type results. This is the case for the races that produce the German people, primarily the Nordic and the Pfälsisch, but also the Eastern, the Dinarish, the Western and the Eastern Baltic races.

The Nordic race has a particular position, since it makes up about 50% of the German people, a fact that we can only welcome given what we know of its growth and cultural achievements.

5. As a German, take a spouse only of the same or of Nordic blood.
You and Your People
The accomplishments of the Nordic race are the highest of any race in Europe. This is shown in many splendid cultural monuments, not only on European soil, but also deep in Asia and Africa. The investigations are at an early stage, but we already know that there is hardly a nation in North Africa, the Near East, Iran, India and as far as Turkestan that does not show wonderful evidence of Nordic cultures. It must fill us with pride that in our own homeland, in Germany, culture has bloomed in unbroken lines for more than 5000 years, created by people of our blood, our nature, our ancestry.

Since the rise or fall of a people’s culture depends above all on the maintenance, care, and purity of its valuable racial inheritance, every responsible statesman must be concerned with racial policy, and do everything possible to maintain the purity of the racial inheritance for the future. Adolf Hitler was the first statesman in history to recognize this and base his policies on it. The world-spanning war that the German people are waging under his leadership is the battle of the Nordic Race against the forces of chaos and racial decay. It is decisive for the future of our Germanic culture, for the purity of the racial elements that make our culture, and for the fate of Europe as a whole.

he new scientific understanding of the importance of blood for the existence of the German people and its culture did not win without a struggle. Our people’s thinking was misled by the forces of the Church, Liberalism, Bolshevism, and Jewry. Only the victory of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist worldview enabled the German people to think racially. The worldview appeals to the Nordic blood inheritance of each German. We have it to thank for the enormous progress of our people after 1933, and for the unprecedented triumphs of its army in building a new order in Europe and the world. Destroying Jewry will remove the final cause that led to the decline and fall of Europe and its culture.

Even in other parts of the Germanic world where the influence of Liberalism has been the strongest and most persistent (Sweden!), people are realizing the historical significance and value of common Nordic blood and the importance of keeping it pure. They recognize that even today the North Germanic peoples are endangered.

“Each manifestation of the people depends on the individual and the family. The heath and vitality of a people and the extent and degree of its culture depends on whether there are sufficient racially valuable groups. The individual and the government have a common task, which they can only meet together: keeping these racially valuable groups and families pure. Adolf Hitler has led the German people to the realization that the Nordic race is the most creative, valuable race on earth. It has determined their nature, their culture, and their history. Therefore, caring for the valuable Nordic blood is their most important task. Each of us has a role. A consciousness of our proud ancestry must be the guiding force in our behavior. We do not want to be the last of a millennia old advanced culture that ends with us, but rather ‘members of an unending chain extending from our most ancient ancestors to our distant grandchildren’ (Heinrich Himmler).”
An SS Booklet on Racial Policy

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

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Post by Frischluft » 23 May 2021 19:51

It is likely that a majority of the Germans did not share Hitler's belief in the superiority of the Nordic race. The (alleged) necessity of Aufnordung was not a topic of his election campaigns. Moreover, many Germans did not know much about race theory. Hitler mentions the Nordic race in Mein Kampf, but there are no illustrations. From 1935 on, Rassenkunde was part of biology class. These illustrations of the German races were used in school:

Nordisch, fälisch, westisch
Ostbaltisch, ostisch, dinarisch

Racial hierarchy according to the RuSHA:
1. Nordisch
2. Fälisch: It was assumed that the ancient Germanic people were composed of 1. and 2.
3. Dinarisch: associated with South Slavs (such as Croats)
4. Westisch
5. Ostisch
6. Ostbaltisch: associated with North Slavs

If Hitler had been racially classified by a RuSHA employee (by measuring his skull, etc.), he probably would have been classified as nordisch-dinarisch. So, according to Nazi ideology, he was a mix of the best and the third-best German race.
The skull strongly Dinaric; I had been often enough in Upper Austria and knew this skull shape exactly. His dark blond, almost brunette hair appeared smooth and fine.
Schaumburg-Lippe, Friedrich Christian zu (1966). ... Verdammte Pflicht und Schuldigkeit ...: Weg und Erlebnis 1914–1933. Leoni: Druffel. p. 148.
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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by ljadw » 23 May 2021 20:15

George L Gregory wrote:
23 May 2021 18:54
ljadw wrote:
23 May 2021 17:13
Is there any proof that the Germans believed that the Nordic race existed and that it was superior ,and to whom ?
Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler and other Nazis all wrote and spoke about the alleged superiority of the Nordic race over other races and aimed to make Germany a predominantly Nordic country.
Today a new faith is awakening—the Myth of the blood; the belief that to defend the blood is also to defend the divine nature of man in general. It is a belief, effulgent with the brightest knowledge, that Nordic blood represents that mystery which has overcome and replaced the older sacraments.
On the other hand, heroism is basic to the character of the Nordic peoples. This heroism of the ancient mythic period—and this is what is decisive—has never been lost, despite times of decline, so long as the Nordic blood was still alive. Heroism, in fact, took many forms, from the warrior nobility of Siegfried or Hercules to the intellectual nobility of Copernicus and Leonardo, the religious nobility of Eckehart and Lagarde, or the political nobility of Frederick the Great and Bismarck, and its substance has remained the same.
No people of Europe is racially homogeneous, also Germany is not. According to the latest research, we accept five races all of which reveal perceptibly different types. But it is beyond question that the true culture bearer for Europe has been in the first place the Nordic race. Great heroes, artists and founders of states have grown from this blood.
Alfred Rosenberg, The Myth of the Twentieth Century
I shall have no peace of mind until I have planted a seed of Nordic blood wherever the population stand in need of regeneration. If at the time of the migrations, while the great racial currents were exercising their influence, our people received so varied a share of attributes, these latter blossomed to their full value only because of the presence of the Nordic racial nucleus.
Adolf Hitler
The ultimate aim for those 11 years during which I have been the Reichsfuehrer SS has been invariably the same: to create an order of good blood which is able to serve Germany; which unfailingly and without sparing itself can be made use of because the greatest losses can do no harm to the vitality of this order, the vitality of these men, because they will always be replaced; to create an order which will spread the idea of Nordic blood so far that we will attract all Nordic blood in the world, take away the blood from our adversaries, absorb it so that never again, looking at it from the viewpoint of grand policy, Nordic blood, in great quantities and to an extent worth mentioning, will fight against us.
Heinrich Himmler
The principal ingredient of our people is the Nordic race (55%). That is not to say that half our people are pure Nordics. All of the aforementioned races appear in mixtures in all parts of our fatherland. The circumstance, however, that the great part of our people is of Nordic descent justifies us taking a Nordic standpoint when evaluating our character and spirit, bodily structure, and physical beauty.
Propaganda to Hitler Youth members
Race

Race means to be able to think in a certain way. He who has courage, loyalty and honor, the mark of the German, has the race that should rule in Germany, even if he does not have the physical characteristics of the “Nordic” race. The unity of the noble and a noble body is the goal to which we strive. But we despise those whose noble body carries an ignoble soul. §A variety of related European races have merged in Germany. One trunk grew from these roots. Each race gave its best strength. Each contributed to the German soul We Germans have a fighting spirit, a look to the horizon, the “desire to do a thing for its own sake” of the Nordic race. Another racial soul gave us our cozy old cities and our depth. Yet another racial soul gave us mastery of the magical realm of music. Yet another gave us our ability to organize, and our silent obedience. §We can not hold it against anyone if he carries a variety of racial lines, for the German soul does as well, and created out of it the immeasurable riches which it possesses above all other nations. The greatness of our Reich grew out of this soul. §But the Nordic race must dominate in Germany and shape the soul of each German. It must win out in the breast of each individual. Today our ideal is not the artist or the citizen, but the hero. §Our highest treasure is the soul that we have been given. He who mixes his blood with that of foreign inferior races ruins the blood and soul that have been given to him to pass on in purity to his children. He makes his children impure and miserable, and commits the greatest crime that he as a National Socialist can commit. §But he who follows the laws of race fulfills the great commandment that only like should be brought together with like, keeping apart those things like fire and water which do not mix.
Faith and Action
Blood is the tie that holds us together on earth as a God-ordained whole. We see this race and the maintenance of racial purity, as well as the preservation of our German, Nordic, Aryan race as obedience to a natural law for humanity.
Hans Schemm
There are races that share characteristics and traits, such that when they interbreed, a relatively uniform type results. This is the case for the races that produce the German people, primarily the Nordic and the Pfälsisch, but also the Eastern, the Dinarish, the Western and the Eastern Baltic races.

The Nordic race has a particular position, since it makes up about 50% of the German people, a fact that we can only welcome given what we know of its growth and cultural achievements.

5. As a German, take a spouse only of the same or of Nordic blood.
You and Your People
The accomplishments of the Nordic race are the highest of any race in Europe. This is shown in many splendid cultural monuments, not only on European soil, but also deep in Asia and Africa. The investigations are at an early stage, but we already know that there is hardly a nation in North Africa, the Near East, Iran, India and as far as Turkestan that does not show wonderful evidence of Nordic cultures. It must fill us with pride that in our own homeland, in Germany, culture has bloomed in unbroken lines for more than 5000 years, created by people of our blood, our nature, our ancestry.

Since the rise or fall of a people’s culture depends above all on the maintenance, care, and purity of its valuable racial inheritance, every responsible statesman must be concerned with racial policy, and do everything possible to maintain the purity of the racial inheritance for the future. Adolf Hitler was the first statesman in history to recognize this and base his policies on it. The world-spanning war that the German people are waging under his leadership is the battle of the Nordic Race against the forces of chaos and racial decay. It is decisive for the future of our Germanic culture, for the purity of the racial elements that make our culture, and for the fate of Europe as a whole.

he new scientific understanding of the importance of blood for the existence of the German people and its culture did not win without a struggle. Our people’s thinking was misled by the forces of the Church, Liberalism, Bolshevism, and Jewry. Only the victory of Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist worldview enabled the German people to think racially. The worldview appeals to the Nordic blood inheritance of each German. We have it to thank for the enormous progress of our people after 1933, and for the unprecedented triumphs of its army in building a new order in Europe and the world. Destroying Jewry will remove the final cause that led to the decline and fall of Europe and its culture.

Even in other parts of the Germanic world where the influence of Liberalism has been the strongest and most persistent (Sweden!), people are realizing the historical significance and value of common Nordic blood and the importance of keeping it pure. They recognize that even today the North Germanic peoples are endangered.

“Each manifestation of the people depends on the individual and the family. The heath and vitality of a people and the extent and degree of its culture depends on whether there are sufficient racially valuable groups. The individual and the government have a common task, which they can only meet together: keeping these racially valuable groups and families pure. Adolf Hitler has led the German people to the realization that the Nordic race is the most creative, valuable race on earth. It has determined their nature, their culture, and their history. Therefore, caring for the valuable Nordic blood is their most important task. Each of us has a role. A consciousness of our proud ancestry must be the guiding force in our behavior. We do not want to be the last of a millennia old advanced culture that ends with us, but rather ‘members of an unending chain extending from our most ancient ancestors to our distant grandchildren’ (Heinrich Himmler).”
An SS Booklet on Racial Policy
The question was : did the Germans believe what Hitler, Rosenberg,etc were saying about the Nordic and Aryan races ( of which the Iranians were a part, following Hitler, Rosenberg,etc ).
All this nonsense was strongly influenced by Eugenics ( also nonsense ) ,but, there is no proof that Eugenics, the Nordic/Aryan race could count on the willingness of the European and American peoples to believe all this nonsense . There is no proof that the majority of the Germans believed in the existence and the superiority of the Nordic race, but it is more than probable that this idea was imposed on the German people and that most Germans did as if they believed the whole thing .
People living in a dictatorship are very ingenious : Russians also did as if they believed what Marx,etc, had said .

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by Frischluft » 23 May 2021 21:25

In 1930, Hitler expressed in a private conversation that racial theories should not "become the content of public discussion".
And besides, only arrogance or inferiority complexes are aroused. And they are the surest means to destroy a Volksgemeinschaft. So, as much as I admire the laws of the Jews for the preservation and purity of their race, I must be of the opinion that racial theories, when they become the content of public discussion, can be a national misfortune rather than a blessing.
Turner, Henry Ashby (ed.); Wagener, Otto (1978). Hitler aus nächster Nähe. Aufzeichnungen eines Vertrauten 1929–1932. Frankfurt am Main/Berlin/Wien: Ullstein. p. 349 f.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 23 May 2021 23:21

ljadw wrote:
23 May 2021 20:15
The question was : did the Germans believe what Hitler, Rosenberg,etc were saying about the Nordic and Aryan races ( of which the Iranians were a part, following Hitler, Rosenberg,etc ).
All this nonsense was strongly influenced by Eugenics ( also nonsense ) ,but, there is no proof that Eugenics, the Nordic/Aryan race could count on the willingness of the European and American peoples to believe all this nonsense . There is no proof that the majority of the Germans believed in the existence and the superiority of the Nordic race, but it is more than probable that this idea was imposed on the German people and that most Germans did as if they believed the whole thing .
People living in a dictatorship are very ingenious : Russians also did as if they believed what Marx,etc, had said .
Well a certain amount of Germans must have believed in the stuff about Aryans and Nordics because of the Lebensborn project which was all about breeding Nordic children.

The rest of your post is you arguing from ignorance.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 23 May 2021 23:35

Frischluft wrote:
23 May 2021 19:51
If Hitler had been racially classified by a RuSHA employee (by measuring his skull, etc.), he probably would have been classified as nordisch-dinarisch. So, according to Nazi ideology, he was a mix of the best and the third-best German race.
The skull strongly Dinaric; I had been often enough in Upper Austria and knew this skull shape exactly. His dark blond, almost brunette hair appeared smooth and fine.
Schaumburg-Lippe, Friedrich Christian zu (1966). ... Verdammte Pflicht und Schuldigkeit ...: Weg und Erlebnis 1914–1933. Leoni: Druffel. p. 148.
Interesting.

In 1923, the Austrian scientist Max von Gruber described Hitler as:
It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism.
Ernst Günther Gründel described Hitler as:
The great drummer, creator and organizer of the movement, Adolf Hitler, could be a Nordic-Eastern-Dinaric mixture (not purely Dinaric, as opponents have claimed).
Die weitaus stärkste Begabung, der Vielseitigste: Draufgänger und Diplomat zugleich, der grosse Trommler, Schöpfer und Führer der Bewegung: Adolf Hitler, könnte nordisch-ostisch-dinarische Mischung sein (keinesfalls aber rein ostisch oder rein dinarisch, wie Gegner behauptet haben, sondern vielmehr ganz überwiegend nordisch).
Die Sendung der jungen Generation. Versuch einer umfassenden revolutionären Sinndeutung der Krise, page 293.

Tobias Ronge, the director of his own private organisation Institute for Knowledge of the Human Kind wrote:
The idea that Hitler was a foreigner and that for years the opposing press had described him as a foreigner and shown him in meanly falsified pictures, I would like to have thus completely eliminated. Hitler is blonde, has rosy skin, is thus pure (Aryan) Germanic in nature, and all other propaganda about his appearance and personality has been sown into the soul of the people by the black and red press, which I would like to have corrected here.)
Den Gedanken, daß Hitler ein Ausländer ist und von der gegnerischen Presse jahrelang als Ausländer beschrieben und in gemeinst verfälschten Bildern gezeigt wurde, möchte ich somit restlos beseitigt haben. Hitler ist blond, hat rosige Haut, ist also rein (arisch-) germanischer Natur, und alle anderen Verbreitungen über sein Aussehen und seine Persönlichkeit hat die schwarze und rote Presse in die Volksseele gesät, was ich hiermit richtiggestellt haben möchte.
Das Bild des Herrschers in Malerei und Grafik des Nationalsozialismus: eine Untersuchung zur Ikonografie von Führer- und Funktionärsbildern im Dritten Reich, page 242.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 23 May 2021 23:42

Didn't Carleton Coon or some other anthropologist write about Hitler not being Nordic?

EDIT: I've found the quote by Carleton Coon.
At that time the age of blood groups had begun to dawn, and conventional physical anthropology was on the wane, mostly because of counterprejudice owing to Hitler's treatment of minorities and his ressurection of the Aryan dream, Like most professional Nordic-lovers, he was not one himself.
Carleton Coon, Adventures and Discoveries, page 137.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by ljadw » 24 May 2021 05:49

George L Gregory wrote:
23 May 2021 23:21
ljadw wrote:
23 May 2021 20:15
The question was : did the Germans believe what Hitler, Rosenberg,etc were saying about the Nordic and Aryan races ( of which the Iranians were a part, following Hitler, Rosenberg,etc ).
All this nonsense was strongly influenced by Eugenics ( also nonsense ) ,but, there is no proof that Eugenics, the Nordic/Aryan race could count on the willingness of the European and American peoples to believe all this nonsense . There is no proof that the majority of the Germans believed in the existence and the superiority of the Nordic race, but it is more than probable that this idea was imposed on the German people and that most Germans did as if they believed the whole thing .
People living in a dictatorship are very ingenious : Russians also did as if they believed what Marx,etc, had said .
Well a certain amount of Germans must have believed in the stuff about Aryans and Nordics because of the Lebensborn project which was all about breeding Nordic children.

The rest of your post is you arguing from ignorance.
8000 children were born in Lebensborn homes,on a population of 80 million,thus it was negligible .Besides, the whole Lebensborn project was kept secret ,because the Nazis knew that the population was hostile to this .

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 24 May 2021 13:26

ljadw wrote:
24 May 2021 05:49
George L Gregory wrote:
23 May 2021 23:21
ljadw wrote:
23 May 2021 20:15
The question was : did the Germans believe what Hitler, Rosenberg,etc were saying about the Nordic and Aryan races ( of which the Iranians were a part, following Hitler, Rosenberg,etc ).
All this nonsense was strongly influenced by Eugenics ( also nonsense ) ,but, there is no proof that Eugenics, the Nordic/Aryan race could count on the willingness of the European and American peoples to believe all this nonsense . There is no proof that the majority of the Germans believed in the existence and the superiority of the Nordic race, but it is more than probable that this idea was imposed on the German people and that most Germans did as if they believed the whole thing .
People living in a dictatorship are very ingenious : Russians also did as if they believed what Marx,etc, had said .
Well a certain amount of Germans must have believed in the stuff about Aryans and Nordics because of the Lebensborn project which was all about breeding Nordic children.

The rest of your post is you arguing from ignorance.
8000 children were born in Lebensborn homes,on a population of 80 million,thus it was negligible .Besides, the whole Lebensborn project was kept secret ,because the Nazis knew that the population was hostile to this .
The project was only put to an end because WW2 ended.

We'll never know how many ordinary Germans supported the notion of Nordic Germans being racially superior, but what we do know is that Nazi propaganda emphasised the Nordic racial aspect of the German people and the Nazis intended to make Germany more Nordic.

Heinrich Himmler, despite not being Nordic himself, wa a massive proponent of the idea and mentioned it several times throughout his life.

In the early 1930s he said:
Shall we, by filtering out the vaulable blood through a process of selection, once again succeed in training and breeding a nation on a grand scale, a Nordic nation? Shall we once again succeed in settling this Nordic people in surrounding territory, turning them into peasants again and from this seedbed create a nation of 200 million? Then the earth will belong to us! But if Bolshevism is victorious then this will mean the extermination of the Nordic race, of the last valuable Nordic blood, and this devastation would mean the end of the earth.
In 1937, Himmler made it as clear as day:
The SS is a National Socialist order of soldiers of Nordic race and a community of their clans bound together by oath. [ . . . ] Fiancees and wives, as well as their husbands, also belong, according to our laws, to this community, this order. [ . . . ] Let us be very clear about this: it would make no sense to collect together good blood from the whole of Germany and establish it here with a serious purpose, while at the same time allowing it through marriage to flow into families at will. Rather, what we want for Germany is a ruling class destined to last for centuries and the product of repeated selection, a new artisocracy continuously renewed from the best of the sons and daughters of our nation, a nobility that never ages, stretching back into distant epochs in its traditions, where these are valuable, and representing eternal youth for our nation.
In 1939 Himmler was aiming to recruit men from different Germanic nations (except the Anglo-Saxons) who were Nordic to join the Waffen-SS. Himmler wanted to use his earlier experience as a farmer to selectively breed humans to develop a superior Aryan Nordic race.

But, despite the desire to breed Nordic people, the Nazis knew that there was a large element of Germans who did not belong to the Nordic race, hence why Faith and Action stated, "Race means to be able to think in a certain way. He who has courage, loyalty and honor, the mark of the German, has the race that should rule in Germany, even if he does not have the physical characteristics of the “Nordic” race. The unity of the noble and a noble body is the goal to which we strive."

Himmler was a total hypocrite. As Peter Padfield asks, how could a man who was "neither long-headed nor fair, growing up among Bavarians with such distinctly square skulls, have devoted his life to the theory of the Nordic superman?"

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by ljadw » 24 May 2021 14:52

I would not call him a hypocrite, but a fantasist : he was dreaming about an aristocracy of blood ( to which he did not belong ) who in the far future,would rule Germany during centuries .
He would start it by selectively breeding humans .
Teddy Roosevelt said the same .And he was not the only US president going in that direction.

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