Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by PavelH » 18 Jul 2021 22:02

May be discussed in the past already, but I went through my obersalzberg files and wondering about this postcard. Is it EB next to Hitler on the official third reichs postcard?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Hans1906 » 19 Jul 2021 09:06

@ Terry Duncan,
thanks for your note, I understood this warning, and of course I will apologize.

@ Mike Tal,
I expressly apologize to you for my superfluous and aggressive entry, I am very sorry.
I don't know why the devil got me again, it won't happen again, sorry.

In the future I will keep a low profile on these topics, thanks for letting me reply here.


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Hans1906 » 19 Jul 2021 10:24

PavelH,

the person sitting on the right side of the table probably Heinrich Hoffmann, (Leica camera on the table...), the person we see from behind probably Martin Bormann, on the left side of the table.
About the third man on the right side of the table with his back to the camera, no idea, the same with both women ?


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Hans1906 » 19 Jul 2021 10:47

Photo a little bit enlarged and "sharpened", the group was looking on something like a map on the table.

Signature: "Phot. H. Huber, 1077" probaly a former photographer for the Hoffmann company.


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Fraulein E. » 19 Jul 2021 23:36

At first I thought the woman sitting next to Hitler was Gretl Braun, the hair and profile really remind me of her, but I have doubts.

If the bigger man on the left is Bormann, then the woman may be Mrs Bormann.

Or, last idea: Sofie Stork.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CraigM » 20 Jul 2021 00:46

If this really was a publicly available postcard, and it sure looks like one with that text on it, then I believe no Brauns (EB or either sister) were allowed to be seen in official publications. Weren't they hidden away from all publicity?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 20 Jul 2021 14:26

Beside Hitler - ? (In some ways she does resemble EB in early days, which this postcard was, since it refers to Hitler as Reichskanzler, not Führer.)
Next - almost certainly Adjutant Wilhelm Brückner. Next, very likely press chief Otto Dietrich. Next, Heinrich Hoffmann and his wife Erna.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jul 2021 16:13

An interesting note about the photo (and the background being a photomontage) from Hitler's Alpine Retreat by James Wilson (it seems to me that he's right). No identifications of the pictured persons though.

Wilson p113.jpg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 20 Jul 2021 20:47

The person on the left of the two with their backs to the camera appears to me to be Wilhelm Brückner; the one on the right appears to be Otto Dietrich; and Heinrich Hoffmann is sitting on the right side of the table, facing Hitler.

A fine snapshot of this personal event...but too bad none of those present look like they're enjoying being there!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Hans1906 » 21 Jul 2021 10:06

Geoff is right,

considering the tall and massive stature, it was certainly Wilhelm Brückner on the left side of the photo, with his back to the camera.

Wilhelm Brückner ("Chief adjutant of Adolf Hitler, 1930-1940") https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Brückner

Martin Bormann was much smaller, only neck and back of head made me think Bormann, sorry.


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mike Tal » 22 Jul 2021 13:37

Hi everyone,

I haven't been here for a while and thus had no chance to read Hans' post that has been taken down. But judging by the reaction of fellow members (and I thank them for that), it was far from flattering. So, all I can do is accept Hans' appology, albeit I do not really know for what. And maybe just to set the record straight, I have a life-long interest in WWII and events leading up to it. I even studied history at the university, concentrating on the first half of the 20th Century. Althouth I never became a historian by profession and work in completely different field, my passion for history remains to this day. And if I started writing here about what my family endured during WWII in the hands of the Third Reich, it would be a helluva long post and would assure you that any sympathies to Nazi ideology must be foreign to me.

Someone also asked about hi-res photos. I naturally have them, but they were too big to post. :)

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CraigM » 22 Jul 2021 13:42

Mike Tal wrote:
14 Jul 2021 08:43
I walked backed through the SS Barracks site and there is some construction work going on there. I wonder what?
Hello Mike. Can you please describe a little more of what you saw at the Kaserne site? Was there actual construction work going on there or just storage of construction material for somewhere else (perhaps the Kempinski staff accommodations)?

Thanks!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Mike Tal » 22 Jul 2021 13:46

CraigM wrote:
22 Jul 2021 13:42
Mike Tal wrote:
14 Jul 2021 08:43
I walked backed through the SS Barracks site and there is some construction work going on there. I wonder what?
Hello Mike. Can you please describe a little more of what you saw at the Kaserne site? Was there actual construction work going on there or just storage of construction material for somewhere else (perhaps the Kempinski staff accommodations)?

Thanks!
Hi, hard to say. Could be both. I honestly wasn't paying much attention and I even failed to take a photo... But it seemed more like construction activity than storage. I was looking more under my feet as the ground was very muddy, wet and slippery.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Geoff Walden » 22 Jul 2021 16:48

Geoff Walden wrote:
20 Jul 2021 14:26
Beside Hitler - ? (In some ways she does resemble EB in early days, which this postcard was, since it refers to Hitler as Reichskanzler, not Führer.)
Next - almost certainly Adjutant Wilhelm Brückner. Next, very likely press chief Otto Dietrich. Next, Heinrich Hoffmann and his wife Erna.
The more I thought about it, the more I realized we had discussed this photo before. But I couldn't find that discussion. It's not in this thread, but in Women in the Reich.
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=250347&hilit=hochlenzer

Just a thought ... If that wasn't Eva Braun, sitting next to Hitler, then who was it?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Helly Angel » 23 Jul 2021 03:46

Hans1906 wrote:
16 Jul 2021 19:15
Helly,

each as he likes, I see no limits.
It is as always a dichotomy between the own past, and the "today".

I could densely post this forum with historical photos, but that doesn't make sense, since I don't know the background of most of the pictures...
I simply lack the time, and also my own patience, to post even a few photos.

Sitting on a mountain of photos, not being able to publish all that, I don't wish that on you.
One day, in the near or distant future....

Take care


Hans
My dear friend, I wish you were here in Florida, to drink a beer together talking a lot of crazy think and things in a great german restaurant that I found here in Pompano Beach called "Old München" ... I need it! Hehehe but maybe in the next years in Germany we can do it! I appreciate your work here but I appreciate you more my friend! Sorry If I wrote a little stupid. You are a great guy!

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