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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Jul 2021, 12:29

TePe wrote:
25 Jul 2021, 12:23
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I'm 99% certain that this photo is taken at Gaststätte Hochlenzer.
Not so sure it´s Eva Braun besides Hitler, wasn't her hair blond at that time ?
Don't forget that it is a photomontage, i.e. that the background was changed viewtopic.php?f=44&t=28208&start=6315#p2354818
See what the original background looked like here viewtopic.php?f=77&t=250347#p2278844
See also https://beeldbankwo2.nl/nl/beelden/deta ... s=1&page=1 (confirming the Hochlenzer identification)

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Post by Geoff Walden » 25 Jul 2021, 17:14

Yes, these photos were taken at Hochlenzer, as has been identified and discussed on AHF previously. Same wooden tables and benches, same view of the mountains. Whether or not the one is a photo montage, the very same view can be had today from Hochlenzer.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Jul 2021, 17:39

Geoff Walden wrote:
25 Jul 2021, 17:14
Whether or not the one is a photo montage
It is, see the comparison below (both photos were taken from the same spot/angle).

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It is indeed Hochlenzer, but the tables & benches shown in the previous photos are not the same; different design, positioning and spot (compare to this photo; the table in Huber's images has "X" legs, unlike those seen in the previously posted photos; check also the positions of the tables).

They could have been sitting here though (can't see the details, but the tables are positioned the same way as in Huber's images):

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Source: https://www.hippostcard.com/listing/cpa ... 1/29893904

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Another confirmation of the location (see the inscription on the back): https://www.akpool.de/ansichtskarten/26 ... -gespraech

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Helly Angel » 27 Jul 2021, 22:47

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Do any folks here have other photos showing the radiators under the picture window?

Pre-May 1945, they were encased in radiator covers — but I am interested in seeing photos of them without the covers, if possible.

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I imagine the radiators are into the wooden forniture...
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Post by Hans1906 » 28 Jul 2021, 13:05

Interesting photos, very definitely not the very best place for a valuable concert grand piano, right in front of a row of radiators behind a wooden wall panel... :o

The piano tuner at the time will surely have been very happy about regular retuning of the piano.

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Post by Max » 28 Jul 2021, 15:18

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Interesting architectural feature in this pic.
Notice the opening in the wall behind the piano leading to the old part of the Haus Wachenfeld.
Notice how thick the wall is.
Floor plans show this wall to be about one metre thick.
It appears to be more like two+ metres in this pic.
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Post by Max » 28 Jul 2021, 15:43

Maybe we are looking at a one piece pivoting panel that closes off the opening.
Are there any pics of this place when closed?
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Post by Max » 28 Jul 2021, 15:49

Looking back into the great room
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Post by Helly Angel » 28 Jul 2021, 23:26

This is a photo of the interior of the furniture where we presume that the radiator was, with an unidentified lady so far. Books are evident within the structure of the furniture. I do not intend to deny or affirm anything, but there were books, not the radiator. By the way, someone knows who is the lady?
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Post by CPB » 28 Jul 2021, 23:34

Great photo!

To clarify, the radiator in this photo – to my mind – was moved here during the destruction rather than being originally situated inside the bookcase.

Does anyone have any more good close-ups of the exposed radiators under the big picture window?
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Post by CraigM » 29 Jul 2021, 01:03

CPB wrote:
28 Jul 2021, 23:34
To clarify, the radiator in this photo – to my mind – was moved here during the destruction rather than being originally situated inside the bookcase.
Whilst it's the case that that is entirely possible, it seems unlikely to me for two reasons:

1. These are not like the electric oil-filled radiators on wheels that people (like me) have at home. These are permanently plumbed-in radiators that circulate very hot water pumped from a boiler (usually in the basement) around the room/house, from radiator to radiator. It's not something that can be just picked up and moved without cutting/breaking pipes. [For the technically minded, sometimes these systems super-heated water to above 100 degrees C (212 degrees F), ie. above boiling point, but were prevented from boiling to steam by pressurisation. This is more efficient and heats more quickly. I'm not saying that method was used here, I have no idea, it's just a cool technical footnote. Actually, not cool, a super-heated technical footnote.]

2. The radiator in the photo is too nicely and squarely placed to have been cut away from its previous (permanent) position and placed where we see it. If is had indeed been placed there I doubt it would be upright, straight, and perfectly parallel to the stairway. With all the destruction surely it would be lying on its side. Why would someone stand it up and place it perfectly straight and aligned? Without its supporting pipes it would likely fall over anyway. Nope, it's too neat. I think it's still plumbed in to its pipes in its original position. Happy to be proven wrong if anyone has contrary evidence.
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I do not intend to deny or affirm anything, but there were books, not the radiator.
It's possible and indeed entirely likely that the radiator was enclosed in a recess that was open only to one side, ie. the side facing the stairs, not the side facing the piano. If this was the case then in the photo you're referring to, you would indeed only see books, confirmed by the first pic below (which has been posted here before). The single side exposing the radiator would have been covered by a wooden grille similar to the ones in the second pic below. As far as I'm aware all of the radiators in the great hall were covered by grilles.
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By the way, someone knows who is the lady?
Yes. Geoff does.
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Post by CraigM » 29 Jul 2021, 01:11

And after all that, all we had to do was zoom in on Max's photo!
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Post by Helly Angel » 29 Jul 2021, 01:14

I would like to be sure... I was thinking in Eva, but no...
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Post by Helly Angel » 29 Jul 2021, 01:16

Yes, I was thinking the same... half bookcase and half deposit to the radiator.

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Post by Max » 29 Jul 2021, 03:05

CraigM wrote:
29 Jul 2021, 01:03
Helly Angel wrote:
28 Jul 2021, 23:26
By the way, someone knows who is the lady?
Yes. Geoff does.
Check here
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