Soviet and German manpower issues late war
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Soviet and German manpower issues late war
I often hear about how the Soviets were at their breaking point in manpower and out of reserves in 1945. But how true is this? How is Germany dealing with manpower in 1944-1945 as opposed to the USSR's issues?
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In 1944 USSR mobilized 4.5 million , in the first half of 1945 only 0.55 million. USSR like the T.Reich was low on body-abled man in 1945.
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I think the Germans could cope better since they were on defense. How many reserves the Soviets and Germans had in 1945?
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They were fighting on two fronts. I bet in 1945 German had only youth of 16-17 years old in the mobilisation pool.Not caunting those who not bodi-abled and old.
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They were fighting on two fronts. I bet in 1945 German had only youth of 16-17 years old in the mobilisation pool.Not caunting those who not bodi-abled and old.
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Do you have exact numbers of reserves?
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The Red Army was also sweeping up the male population of the areas it had liberated.Admiral Bloonbeard wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 19:03How many exact numbers of reserves did the Soviets have in 1945?
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It was running out of men in the "free" areaa?Sheldrake wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 19:29The Red Army was also sweeping up the male population of the areas it had liberated.Admiral Bloonbeard wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 19:03How many exact numbers of reserves did the Soviets have in 1945?
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As I have mentioned above, Soviets mobilised only 0.55M in first 4 months of 1945, while suffering almost 1 million KIA and DoW at the same period of time.
In May-June 1945 aprox. 0.4M were drafted into the Red Army from ex-PoWs and ost-arbеiters .
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What are reserves exactly? The numbers of personnel in the Soviet Army and how they were distributed by the end of the war are given here:Admiral Bloonbeard wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 19:03How many exact numbers of reserves did the Soviets have in 1945?
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I would put it simple: from the point of view of Soviet leadership they had no manpower issue in 1945 or late 1944 because they took no special measures to deal with manpower issue. Unlike 1942, when there were orders on conscription of women, cannibalizing of Navy and NKVD, military schools etc etc.
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Re: Soviet and German manpower issues late war
Based on previous answers, I'm trying to figure out how many more men the Soviets can draft if the war continued. I'm trying to see untapped manpowerArt wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 21:24What are reserves exactly? The numbers of personnel in the Soviet Army and how they were distributed by the end of the war are given here:Admiral Bloonbeard wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 19:03How many exact numbers of reserves did the Soviets have in 1945?
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I would put it simple: from the point of view of Soviet leadership they had no manpower issue in 1945 or late 1944 because they took no special measures to deal with manpower issue. Unlike 1942, when there were orders on conscription of women, cannibalizing of Navy and NKVD, military schools etc etc.
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Re: Soviet and German manpower issues late war
This is the right way to look at the question, IMO: whether men were taken from particularly important other fields to fill out the army, including war production. By '44-'45 SU was shifting workforce back to civilian needs so they clearly were in no danger of manpower collapse.Art wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 21:24What are reserves exactly? The numbers of personnel in the Soviet Army and how they were distributed by the end of the war are given here:Admiral Bloonbeard wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 19:03How many exact numbers of reserves did the Soviets have in 1945?
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I would put it simple: from the point of view of Soviet leadership they had no manpower issue in 1945 or late 1944 because they took no special measures to deal with manpower issue. Unlike 1942, when there were orders on conscription of women, cannibalizing of Navy and NKVD, military schools etc etc.
Tougher manpower choices came in '41-'42, such as stripping war-essential labor for RKKA.
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Re: Soviet and German manpower issues late war
Untapped manpower (e.g. men below 40, fully physically fit and without essential economical occupation) were mostly ended in the first half of 1942. With exception of native ethnic groups of Caucasus and Asia. After that drafts were essentially executed by scrapping the barrel: release of men from war economy, reexamination of unfit or sick, release of convicts, drafts of women, round-up of deserters and deviators, come to that. Plus young classes turning 17 or 18 provided more than a million men each year. Plus resources from occupied territories, former POWs, displaced persons etc. This regime was sustainable over short period. I believe in any case Germany and allies was to collapse before a critical shortage of men would develop.Admiral Bloonbeard wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 21:38Based on previous answers, I'm trying to figure out how many more men the Soviets can draft if the war continued. I'm trying to see untapped manpower
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In the late 1944 USSR wasn't on the brink of existence. And the result of war was already clear.Art wrote: ↑02 Aug 2021, 21:24
I would put it simple: from the point of view of Soviet leadership they had no manpower issue in 1945 or late 1944 because they took no special measures to deal with manpower issue. Unlike 1942, when there were orders on conscription of women, cannibalizing of Navy and NKVD, military schools etc etc.