Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by wm » 21 Aug 2021 21:46

The book warns against taking his stories at their face value (I made flaming patriots out of a battalion of soldiers in 1919) and cautions that it's not a stenographic record but rather (edited) notes.
But defends the veracity of them too (Hitler using the Churchillian "iron curtain" expression).

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by wm » 21 Aug 2021 21:55

Hitler claimed that not all Slavs were Slavs and as evidence (among others) brought the Czech mustache, but as emotions weren't recorded we don't know if he was joking or not. Although there was an exclamation mark at the end.
Maybe he had read about it in some book, that the Czechs had something in common with the Mongols. The same "places of origin" were proposed for both the Slavs and Mongols after all.

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by henryk » 23 Aug 2021 19:36

wm wrote:
21 Aug 2021 21:55

Maybe he had read about it in some book, that the Czechs had something in common with the Mongols. The same "places of origin" were proposed for both the Slavs and Mongols after all.
What place is that, and claimed by whom?

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Post by wm » 23 Aug 2021 21:26

I suppose it would be easier to list the places that weren't claimed to be the origin of the Slavs or the Mongols.
The Mongols were sometimes equated with the Scythians, and Scythia overlaps with Sarmatia the beloved birthplace of all Polish nobles.

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by henryk » 24 Aug 2021 20:14

wm wrote:
23 Aug 2021 21:26
I suppose it would be easier to list the places that weren't claimed to be the origin of the Slavs or the Mongols.
The Mongols were sometimes equated with the Scythians, and Scythia overlaps with Sarmatia the beloved birthplace of all Polish nobles.
Mongols are from Northeast Asia and are not Indo-European.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongols

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples
The Iranian peoples[1] or the Iranic peoples,[2][3] are a diverse Indo-European ethno-linguistic group[1][4] identified by their use of the Iranian languages and other cultural similarities.
The ancient Iranian peoples who emerged after the 1st millennium BC include the Alans, Bactrians, Dahae, Khwarazmians, Massagetae, Medes, Parthians, Persians, Sagartians, Sakas, Sarmatians, Scythians, Sogdians, and probably Cimmerians, among other Iranian-speaking peoples of Western Asia, Central Asia, Eastern Europe, and the Eastern Steppe.
"beloved birthplace of all Polish nobles". A myth
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25776522
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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by wm » 24 Aug 2021 20:59

Although it's not about truth but rather about various theories at the beginning of the 20th century.

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by Szwilpo » 13 Sep 2021 03:14

George L Gregory wrote:
01 May 2021 22:50
The Generalplan Ost envisioned the enslavement and extermination of Baltic people and Slavic people.

https://archive.is/20120527021449/http: ... _Plans.htm

George, the whole work is available:

Poland Under Nazi Occupation

https://archive.org/details/PolandUnderNaziOccupation

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by michael mills » 13 Sep 2021 06:01

The document linked by George L Gregory is very interesting. One of the items in it is this statement by Hitler:
"Under no circumstances should the Government General become a self-contained and uniform economic area producing all or some of the industrial articles needed by it; it must be a reservoir of manpower for us to perform the most menial jobs (brickmaking, road construction, etc.)."

"It is therefore completely in order for a large surplus of manpower to exist in the Government General so that every year there would be a supply of labour for the Reich. We must be ruthlessly on our guard to prevent the emergence of any 'Polish masters;' wherever they are found, they must, however harsh this may sound, be eliminated."
That statement shows unequivocally that Hitler had no intention of physically exterminating the Polish people. Rather the contrary; he wanted there to be a large Polish population that could provide what he calls a "large surplus of manpower", to act as a "supply of labour for the Reich". At most he envisaged the elimination of "Polish masters", persons who could become leaders of resistance to German rule.

Another interesting item is plan for the primary education of Polish children, in the 1939 memorandum by Wetzel and Hecht:
"Only general primary schools are permitted and they will teach only the most rudimentary subjects such as reading, writing and arithmetic. The teaching of such subjects as geography, history and history of literature, which are important from a national point of view, as well as physical training is forbidden. However, the schools should give training in agriculture, forestry and simple industrial trades and handicrafts."
These ideas are not all that different from views expressed by some conservative commentators in our own time, who bemoan what they see as neglect of the traditional "three Rs", precisely the "rudimentary" subjects mentioned by Wetzel and Hecht (except that those commentators would call them "core subjects), in favour of "useless" subjects such as literature. Those commentators are also often very much in favour of giving more emphasis in education to "practical" subjects such as industrial trades, ie the subjects suggested by Wetzel and Hecht, with less emphasis of purely academic subjects geared to university entrance. Seen in that light, the proposals by Wetzel and Hecht do not appear absolutely outrageous.

Finally, the memorandum by Wetzel and Hecht says something very interesting and also unexpected about the proposed treatment of the Jewish population of occupied Poland.
""One way is provided by the plan to keep both Poles and Jews alike at the same low level of living and deprive them of all political, national and cultural rights. In this case the Poles and Jews would be left in the same position.

"As for the second way, here the opportunities for the Poles to develop nationally and culturally would be no less restricted than under the first plan. The Jews, however, would be given slightly more freedom, particularly in the cultural and economic field, so that some decisions on administrative and economic matters would be taken in consultation with them. As far as domestic policy is concerned this solution would lead to still greater economic encroachment by the Jews, but it would still leave the Jews grounds for serious complaints and with constant difficulties."
What is so surprising about this recommendation is that it proposes giving the Jews a status superior to that of the Poles, and even sees them as playing a role in the management of the Polish population, almost as consultants or assistants to the German rulers. It is astounding that Wetzel and Hecht could have conceived such an idea, given the demonisation of the Jews in National Socialist ideology; at the very least, this recommendation shows that as of the end of 1939 there was a yet no plan for the physical extermination of the Jews in very senior levels of the National Socialist bureaucracy.

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by wm » 15 Sep 2021 00:46

I suppose that mostly illustrates the degree of freedom various Nazi departments, institutions, organizations enjoyed.
The Jewish supervision wasn't anything Hitler/Himmler would have ever allowed but Wetzel and Hecht were able to draw their plans without fearing retribution for independent thinking.
In comparison in the USSR, they most likely would be purged and executed for that.

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 15 Sep 2021 06:31

Hi Michael Mills,

You post, "That statement shows unequivocally that Hitler had no intention of physically exterminating the Polish people. Rather the contrary; he wanted there to be a large Polish population that could provide what he calls a "large surplus of manpower", to act as a "supply of labour for the Reich". At most he envisaged the elimination of "Polish masters", persons who could become leaders of resistance to German rule."

Or, it could just be a purely stop-gap wartime expedient to wipe out Polish leadership groups and exploit residual Polish labour for the duration, while German manpower was mobilized in the armed forces.

You post, "These ideas are not all that different from views expressed by some conservative commentators in our own time, who bemoan what they see as neglect of the traditional "three Rs"....." This is a laughable analogy, because it ignores that Poles were to be deprived of secondary, let alone university, education to prevent the perpetuation of a Polish leadership caste. German policy was to reduce the Poles to the basic Three "R's", not promote reading, writing and arithmetic for their collective benefit.

It seems that Nazi racial policies were always "work in progress" and dependent largely on the opportunities their military conquests opened up. Given the ridiculous fuss they made about the Polish Corridor in 1938-39, which resulted in war, it is highly unlikely that they would have been willing to sustain indefinitely an identifiable Polish entity separating the Alt Reich and the lands designated for lebensraum in the Ukraine.

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by SloveneLiberal » 02 Oct 2021 10:02

The subject should not be looked to much black and white. It was rather more complicated. Nazis had plans for Lebensraum and Lebensraum should be of course Germanised. Slavs should be expelled from this area, or used as slave labour force and mass sterelization of them should be used to. During this process milions would die. Poles were indeed the main target of General plan Ost.

However some Slavs were not considered as such by Nazis and were seen as Germans, mixed or something else. Also many Poles in western Poland were seen as fit for Germanization, many of them in fact being already bilingual. Also according to Nazi ideology of Himmler there were lost pools of Aryan blood between the Slavs and if such people joined the war effort for Reich their souls would become more Aryan when the souls of their fallen commrades would reinforce them from inside. It was not just race but also mysticism and old German paganism all mixed together.

In general about Nazi plan for the Slavs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

On how the process of Germanization of Poles was progressing before WW2, specially during the previous partitions of Poland - making many Poles bilingual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanisa ... Partitions

About racial and mystical reasons for recruiting non-Germans in SS and other German units

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Foreign- ... 0752459740

Hitler about Croats

If the Croats were part of the Reich, we'd have them serving as faithful auxiliaries of the German Fuehrer, to police our marches. Whatever happens, one shouldn't treat them as Italy is doing at present. The Croats are a proud people. They should be bound directly to the Fuehrer by an oath of loyalty. Like that, one could rely upon them absolutely. When I have Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very type of the Croat as I've always known him, unshakeable in his friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding. The Croats are very keen on not being regarded as Slavs. According to them, they're descended from the Goths. The fact that they speak a Slav language is only an accident, they say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_raci ... ies#Croats


Another theory was that Croats were eastern Aryans which came from Iran. Ustasha regime did not officialy side with either Gothic or Iranian theory. More about ustasha racial theories:

https://brill.com/view/book/97890042628 ... 29_010.xml

Is should be added that also Bosnian Muslims were considered Croats so in fact Aryans by ustasha. It is now more clear why Himmler was ready to use them in SS forces.

About Nazi plans with Germanized Slovenes

According to the data collected by Slovene institute for modern history Slovenes which were expelled to Germany to be Germanized lived all over the country in around 400 camps called Volksdeutsche Mittelstelle. They lived in monasteries, castles, schools, barracks etc. Men had to work in factories, mines, forests, as farm workers etc. Young women were also sent in factories or worked as bondmaids in German families. Children went in schools and were learning German. Smaller children were sent in German kindergartens and were Germanized quickly.

Himmler gave some orders in spring 1942 from which we can see that the plan was probably to use ''Germanized Slovenes'' in the process of German settlement of conquered eastern territories ( Lebensraum ). Around one third of Slovene population from Oberkrain and Lower Styria would be used for this purpose according to historian dr. Tone Ferenc ( Ferenc 2001, Sistory, Slovenci in leto 1941, pages 107-111 ).

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by Pods » 04 Oct 2021 02:18

The translation of Generalplan ost:

"""""Comments and suggestions on the general plan "Ost" of the Reichsführer of the SS troops

In November 1941 it became known that the Reich Main Security Office is working on a general plan "Ost". The officer in charge of the Reich General Directorate of Security, Standartenfuehrer Elich, already told me at that time the expected figure of 31 million people of non-German origin to be resettled. This case is in charge of the general directorate of imperial security, which now occupies a prominent place among the bodies subordinate to the Reichsführer of the SS troops. At the same time, the general directorate of imperial security, in the opinion of all the leaderships subordinate to the Reichsführer of the SS troops, will also perform the functions of imperial commissariat for the strengthening of the German race.

General comments on the "Ost" master plan

For its ultimate goal, namely the planned Germanization of the territories in question in the East, the plan must be approved. However, the enormous difficulties that will undoubtedly arise in the implementation of this plan, and which may even raise doubts about its feasibility, seem relatively small in terms of the plan. First of all, it is striking that Ingermanland [1] Dnieper, Tavria and Crimea [2] as colonization territories were left out of the plan. Obviously, this is due to the fact that in the future, the plan will also include new colonization projects, which will be discussed at the end.

At present, it is already possible, more or less definitively, to establish as an eastern boundary of colonization (in its northern and middle parts) a line that runs from Lake Ladoga to Valdai Upland and beyond to Bryansk. Whether these changes will be made to the plan by the command of the SS troops, I do not presume to judge.

In any case, it should be foreseen that the number of people who will be resettled under the plan should be further increased.

It follows from the plan that this is not a program that is subject to immediate implementation, but, on the contrary, the settlement of this space by the Germans should take place within about 30 years after the end of the war. Under the plan, 14 million local residents should remain in this area. However, it is more than doubtful whether they will lose their national characteristics and whether they will suffer Germanization in the planned 30 years, since, again, according to the plan in question, the number of German immigrants is very small. Obviously, the plan does not take into account the desire of the state commissioner to strengthen the German race (Greifelt department) to settle people fit for Germanization within the German empire proper...

The fundamental question of the whole plan of colonization of the East is the question of whether we will succeed in awakening in the German people the desire for resettlement in the East. As far as I can judge from my own experience, there is undoubtedly such a desire in most cases. However, one should also not lose sight of the fact that, on the other hand, a significant part of the population, especially from the western part of the empire, strongly rejects resettlement in the east, including in the Wart region of Danzig. region and West Prussia [3] ..., in my opinion, that the competent authorities, especially the Eastern Ministry, should constantly monitor the tendencies expressed in the reluctance to move eastward, and combat them with the help of propaganda.

In addition to encouraging aspirations to relocate to the east, the decisive moments also include the need to awaken in the German people, especially among the German settlers of the eastern territories, the desire to increase motherhood. We must not deceive ourselves: the increase in the birth rate observed since 1933 was in itself a gratifying phenomenon, but it can by no means be considered sufficient for the existence of the German people, especially given their enormous task of colonizing the eastern territories and the incredible biological capacity to reproduce the neighboring eastern peoples.

The general plan "Ost" states that after the end of the war the number of settlers for the immediate colonization of the eastern territories should be ... 4550 thousand people. This number does not seem too high to me, considering the period of colonization, equal to 30 years. It is quite possible that it was bigger. After all, it should be borne in mind that these 4,550 thousand Germans should be distributed in territories such as the Danzig-West Prussia region, the Wart region, Upper Silesia, the General Government of Southeast Prussia, the Bialystok region, the Baltic. States, Ingermanland, Belarus, partly also the regions of Ukraine ... If we take into account the favorable increase in population through an increase in the birth rate, as well as, to some extent, the influx of immigrants from othercountries, countries inhabited by Germanic peoples, then we can count on 8 million. The Germans colonized these territories over a period of about 30 years. However, this does not reach the expected figure of 10 million Germans. For these 8 million Germans, according to the plan, there are 45 million local residents of non-German origin, of which 31 million will be evicted from these territories.

If we analyze the preliminary target of 45 million inhabitants of German origin, it turns out that the local population of the territories in question will in itself exceed the number of settlers. On the territory of former Poland, there are supposedly about 36 million people [4]. Approximately 1 million local Germans should be excluded from them (Volksdeutsche). Then there will be 35 million people. The Baltic countries have 5.5 million inhabitants. Obviously, the general plan "Ost" also takes into account the ex-Soviet regions of Zhitomir, Kamenets-Podolsk and partially Vinnytsia as colonization territories. The population of the Zhytomyr and Kamenets-Podolsk regions is about 3.6 million people, and Vinnitsa - about 2 million people, since a significant part of it is included in the sphere of interests of Romania. Consequently, the total population living here is about 5.5 to 5.6 million people. Thus, the total population of the regions considered is 51 million. The number of people subject to eviction, according to the plan, should in fact be much higher than anticipated. Only when you consider that approximately 5-6 million Jews living in this territory will be liquidated even before the eviction takes place, can you agree with the figure mentioned in the plan of 45 million local residents of non-German origin. However, it can be seen from the plan that Jews are also included in the 45 million people mentioned. It follows, therefore, that the plan is based on an obviously incorrect calculation of the population.

In addition, it seems to me that the plan does not take into account that the local population of non-German origin will multiply very quickly over a period of 30 years ... Taking all this into account, it must be assumed that the number of residents of non-German origin in these territories will significantly exceed 51 million ... Human. It amounts to 60-65 million people.

Therefore, the conclusion itself suggests that the number of people who must remain in the indicated territories or be evicted is significantly higher than that foreseen in the plan. Consequently, even more difficulties will arise in carrying out the plan. If we take into account that 14 million local residents will remain in the territories under consideration, as provided by the plan, then between 46 and 51 million people must be evicted. The number of residents to be resettled, set by the plan at 31 million, cannot be considered correct. More notes on the plan. The plan envisages the resettlement of racially undesirable local residents in western Siberia. At the same time, percentage figures of individual peoples are given and therefore the fate of these peoples is decided, although there is still no exact data on their racial composition. In addition, the same approach has been established for all peoples without taking into account whether and to what extent the Germanization of the respective peoples is envisaged, whether they are peoples friendly or hostile to the Germans.

General comments on the question of Germanisation, especially on the future attitude towards the inhabitants of the former Baltic states

In principle, here, first of all, it is necessary to take into account the following. Needless to say, the policy of Germanization applies only to those peoples that we consider racially complete. Racially complete, compared to our people, can be considered mainly only those local residents of non-German origin who, like their offspring, have pronounced signs of the Nordic race, manifested in appearance, behavior and abilities ...

In my opinion, it is possible to win over locals fit for Germanization in the Baltic countries if the forced eviction of the unwanted population is carried out under the guise of more or less voluntary resettlement [5]. In practice, this could easily be achieved. In the vast expanses of the East, not intended for colonization by the Germans, we will need a large number of people who, to some extent, were raised in the European spirit and learned at least the basics of European culture. These data are largely available for Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians...

We must constantly start from the fact that, in administering all the vast territories within the sphere of interests of the German Empire, we must save the forces of the German people as much as possible... Then the events that are unpleasant for Russians The population will be carried out, for example, not by a German, but by the German administration is Latvian or Lithuanian, which, if this principle is applied with skill, will undoubtedly have positive consequences for us. At the same time, the Russification of Latvians or Lithuanians should hardly be feared, especially since their numbers are not so small and they will occupy positions that would place them above the Russians. Representatives of this stratum of the population should also be instilled with the feeling and awareness that they are something special compared to russians. Perhaps later the danger of this stratum of the population, associated with its desire to be Germanized, is greater than the danger of its Russification. Regardless of the more or less voluntary resettlement of racially undesirable residents of the former Baltic states to the East proposed here, the possibility of their resettlement in other countries should also be allowed. As for the Lithuanians, whose general racial data are much worse than those of the Estonians and Latvians, and among whom, therefore, there are a very significant number of racially undesirable people, one should think about providing them with a suitable territory for colonization in the east...

Towards a solution to the Polish question

(a) Poles

Their number is estimated at 20-24 million. Of all the peoples, according to the plan, subject to resettlement, the Poles are the most hostile to the Germans, numerically more numerous and therefore the most dangerous.

The plan foresees the eviction of 80-85 percent of Poles, that is, 20 or 24 million Poles, 16-20.4 million are subject to eviction, while 3-4.8 million will have to remain in the territory inhabited by German settlers... These figures proposed by the General Directorate of Imperial Security are at odds with the data of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of the German Race on the number of poles of high racial rank suitable for Germanization. The Imperial Commissioner for the Strengthening of the German Race, based on a survey of the rural population of the Danzig-West Prussia and Wart regions, estimates the proportion of residents eligible for Germanization at 3 percent. If we take this percentage as a basis, then the number of Poles subject to eviction should be even more than 19-23 million...

The Eastern Ministry now shows a particular interest in housing racially undesirable Poles. The forced resettlement of some 20 million Poles in a certain region of Western Siberia will undoubtedly provoke a constant danger for the entire territory of Siberia, create a hive of continuous revolts against the order established by the German authorities. Such a settlement of Poles, perhaps, would make sense as a counterweight to the Russians, if the latter regained state independence and the German administration of this territory would become illusory as a result. To this we must add that we must also strive to strengthen the Siberian peoples in every possible way to avoid the strengthening of the Russians. Siberians should feel like a people with their own culture. A compact settlement of several million Poles is likely to have the following consequences: either over time, the smaller Siberians will become pollinated and a "Greater Poland" will emerge, or we will make the Siberians our worst enemies, push them into the arms of the Russians and thus prevent the formation of the Siberian people.

These are the political considerations that arise when becoming familiar with the plan. They may be too focused on them, but in any case they deserve consideration.

I agree that far more than 20 million people will be able to settle in the vast expanses of the Western Siberian steppe with its black earth regions, provided that systematic settlement takes place. Certain difficulties may arise in the practical implementation of such mass resettlement. If, according to the plan, a period of 30 years is foreseen for resettlement, then the number of resettled will be around 700 to 800 thousand per year. This means that for the transport of poles alone, between 100 and 120 trains will be required annually. In a relatively peaceful time, this can be considered technically feasible.

It is quite clear that the Polish question cannot be solved by eliminating the Poles, as is done with the Jews. Such a solution to the Polish question would burden the conscience of the German people for eternity and deprive us of the sympathy of all, especially the neighboring peoples would begin to fear that one day they would suffer the same fate. In my opinion, the Polish question must be resolved in such a way as to minimise the political complications I mentioned earlier. In March 1941, in a memorandum, I expressed the view that the Polish question could be partially resolved by the more or less voluntary resettlement of Poles abroad. As I learned later, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not without interest in the idea of a possible partial solution of the Polish question by resettling Poles in South America, especially in Brazil. In my opinion, after the end of the war, the cultural layers and partly other layers of the Polish people, unfit for Germanization for racial or political reasons, should emigrate to South America, as well as to North and Central America... To resettle millions of the most dangerous for us Poles to South America, especially Brazil, is quite possible. At the same time, it could be attempted, through exchange, to return the South American Germans, especially from southern Brazil, and settle them in new colonies, for example, in Tavria, Crimea and also in the Dnieper region, since now we are not talking about settling the African colonies of the empire ...

The overwhelming majority of racially undesirable Poles should be resettled in the East. This applies to the main images of peasants, agricultural workers, artisans, etc. They can easily resettle on the territory of Siberia...

When the industrial regions of Kuznetsk, Novosibirsk and Karaganda begin to operate at full capacity, a large amount of manpower will be required, especially technical workers [6]. Why shouldn't Walloon engineers, Czech technicians, Hungarian merchants and the like work in Siberia? In this case, one could rightly speak of a European reserve territory for the colonization and extraction of raw materials. Here, the European idea would make sense in all respects, while in the territory destined for German colonization it would be dangerous for us, since in this case it would mean that we accept, by virtue of the logic of things, the idea of Miscegenation of the peoples ofEurope. .. You have to constantly keep in mind that Siberia up to the lake. Baikal has always been a territory of European colonization. The Mongols who inhabit these areas, like the Turkic peoples, appeared here in the recent historical period. It should be emphasized once again that Siberia is one of the factors that, if used correctly, could play a decisive role in depriving the Russian people of the opportunity to restore their power.

(b) On the question of Ukrainians.

According to the plan of the Imperial Main Directorate of Security, Western Ukrainians should also be resettled in Siberia. This provides for the resettlement of 65 percent of the population. This figure is significantly lower than the percentage of the Polish population subject to eviction...

(c) The question of Belarusians.

According to the plan, it is planned to evict 75 percent of the Belarusian population from the territory it occupies. This means that 25 percent of Belarusians, according to the plan of the main administration of imperial security, are subject to Germanization ...

The Belarusian population, racially undesirable, will remain on the territory of Belarus for many years. In this regard, it seems extremely necessary to select, with the greatest possible care, the Belarusians of nordic type, suitable for racial reasons and politics of Germanization, and send them to the empire to be used as labor ... They could be used in agriculture as agricultural workers, as well as in industry or as artisans. Since they would be treated as Germans and because they do not have a national feeling, soon, at least in the next generation, they could be completely Germanized.

The next question is the question of a place for the resettlement of Belarusians who are racially unsuitable for Germanization. According to the general plan, they should also move to Western Siberia. It can be assumed that Belarusians are the most harmless people and therefore the safest for us among all the peoples of the eastern regions [7]. Even Belarusians whom we cannot, for racial reasons, leave on the territory destined for colonization by our people, we can, to a greater extent than the representatives of other peoples of the eastern regions, use in our interest. The land of Belarus is scarce. To offer them the best lands is to reconcile them with some things that could turn them against us. To this, by the way, we must add that the Russian population and especially the Belarusian itself is inclined to change homes, so that resettlement in these areas is not perceived by residents as tragically as, for example, in the Baltic countries. . . We must also think about resettling Belarusians in the Urals or in the regions of the North Caucasus, which in part could also serve as reserve territories for European colonization...

On the future treatment of the Russian population.

It is necessary to address one more question, which is not mentioned at all in the general plan "Ost", but it is of great importance for the solution of the whole Eastern problem in general, namely how it is possible to preserve and whether itis possible to preserve German domination for a long time in the face of an enormous biological force of the Russian people. Therefore, it is necessary to briefly consider the question of attitude towards the Russians, about which almost nothing is said in the general plan.

It is now safe to say that our previous anthropological information about the Russians, not to mention the fact that they were very incomplete and outdated, is largely incorrect. This was already noticed in the autumn of 1941 by representatives of the department of racial politics and famous German scientists. This view was confirmed once again by Professor Dr. Abel, former first assistant to Professor E. Fischer, who this winter, on behalf of the Supreme Command of the Armed Forces, conducted detailed anthropological studies of the Russians ...

Abel saw only the following possibilities to solve the problem: either the complete destruction of the Russian people, or the Germanization of that part that has clear signs of the Nordic race. These very serious positions of Abel deserve a lot of attention. It's not just about the defeat of the state with its center in Moscow. Achieving this historic goal would never mean a complete solution to the problem. It is more likely that it will be a question of defeating the Russians as a people, of disuniting them. Only if this problem is considered from a biological point of view, especially from a racial-biological point of view, and if German policy in the eastern regions is carried out in accordance with this, will it be possible to eliminate the danger posed by the Rus peopleor to us.

The way proposed by Abel to eliminate the Russians as a people, not to mention the fact that its implementation would hardly be possible, is not suitable for us also for political and economic reasons. In this case, you need to follow different paths to solve the Russian problem. These paths are briefly as follows.

A) First of all, it is necessary to provide for the division of the territory inhabited by the Russians into several political regions with their own governing bodies in order to ensure in each of them a separate national development ...

For now, it is possible to leave open the question of whether an imperial commissariat should be established in the Urals or whether separate district administrations should be created here for the non-Russian population living in this territory without a special local central government body. However, it is of decisive importance here that these areas are not administratively subordinated to the German supreme authorities, which will be created in the central regions of Russia. The peoples who inhabit these areas need to be taught that under no circumstances should they be guided by Moscow, even if a German imperial commissar is in Moscow...

In both the Urals and the Caucasus, there are many different nationalities and languages. It will be impossible, and perhaps politically incorrect, to make the main language in the Urals Tatar or Mordovian, and in the Caucasus, say, Georgian. This could irritate other people in these areas. Therefore, it is worth considering the introduction of the German language as a language that connects all these peoples... Thus, German influence in the East would increase significantly. One should also think of the administrative separation of northern Russia from the territories under the control of the Imperial Commissariat for Russian Affairs [8] ... The idea of transforming this area in the future into a Great German Colony should not be rejected, as its population is still largely possessing signs of the Nordic race. In general, in the rest of the central regions of Russia, the policy of the individual commissariats-general should be directed, as far as possible, to the separate separation and development of these regions.

The Russian of gorky's commissariat-general must be instilled with the feeling that he is somehow different from the Russian of the general commissariat of Tula. There is no doubt that such an administrative division of Russian territory and the systematic isolation of individual regions will be one of the means of struggle against the strengthening of the Russian people [9].

(B) The second means, even more effective than the measures referred to in paragraph "A", is the racially weakening of the Russian people. The Germanization of all Russians is impossible for us and undesirable from a racial point of view. However, what can and should be done is to separate the Nordic groups from the existing population in the Russian people and gradually Germanize them...

It is important that the population on Russian territory consisted mostly of people of a primitive semi-European type. It won't cause much concern to German leaders. This mass of foolish and racially inferior people needs, as the centuries-old history of these areas attests, a guide. If the German leadership manages to avoid rapprochement with the Russian population and avoid the influence of German blood on the Russian people through extramarital relations, then it is quite possible to preserve German domination in this area, provided that we can overcome a biological danger such as the monstrous ability of reproduction of these primitive peoples ...

C) There are many ways to undermine the biological strength of the people... The aim of German policy in relation to the population on Russian territory will be to bring the birth rate of Russians to a lower level than that of Germans. The same applies, among other things, to the extremely prolific peoples of the Caucasus and, in the future, partly to Ukraine. For now, we are interested in increasing the Ukrainian population versus the Russian one. But this should not lead to the fact that the Ukrainians will eventually take the place of the Russians.

To avoid an undesirable increase in population in the eastern regions, it is imperative to avoid in the East all the measures we use to increase the birth rate in the empire. In these areas, we must consciously pursue population reduction policies. Through propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, leaflets, short pamphlets, reports, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children.

It is necessary to show how much money it costs to raise children and what could be bought with these funds. It is necessary to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman, to which she is exposed, giving birth to children, etc. Alongside this, the widest contraceptive propaganda should be launched. It is necessary to organize the generalized production of these funds. The distribution of these funds and abortion should not be restricted in any way. The expansion of the network of abortion clinics in every possible way should be encouraged. For example, it is possible to organize special training for midwives and paramedics and train them to perform abortions. The better the quality of abortions, the more confident the population will have in them. It is quite understandable that doctors must also be allowed to perform abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics.

Voluntary sterilization should also be promoted, the fight to reduce infant mortality should not be allowed, and the education of mothers in child care and preventive measures against childhood diseases should not be allowed. The training of Russian doctors in these specialties should be kept to a minimum and no support should be provided to kindergartens and other similar institutions. Along with these health activities, there should be no barriers to divorce. No help should be provided to children born out of wedlock. You should not allow any tax privileges for large families, not provide them with financial assistance in the form of salary supplements...

It is important for us Germans to weaken the Russian people to such an extent that they will no longer be able to prevent us from establishing German dominance in Europe. We can achieve this goal in the above ways...

D) The question of the Czechs. According to current opinions, most Czechs, since they do not cause racial concerns, are subject to Germanization. Approximately 50 percent of the entire Czech population is subject to Germanization. If we start from this figure, there will still be 3.5 million Czechs not foreseen for Germanization, which should be gradually withdrawn from the territory of the empire ...

Consideration should be be made of resettling these Czechs in Siberia, where they will dissolve among the Siberians and thus contribute to further alienating the Siberians from the Russian people...

The problems discussed above are enormous in scope. But it would be very dangerous to refuse to solve them, declaring them impracticable or fantastic. Future German policy towards the East will demonstrate whether we are truly determined to provide a solid basis for the long-term existence of a third empire. If the third empire is to exist for thousands of years, our plans must be developed for entire generations. This means that the racial-biological idea should have a decisive importance in the future of German politics. Only then can we secure the future of our people.

Dr. Wetzel""""""

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Re: Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the Slavs?

Post by SloveneLiberal » 05 Oct 2021 16:27

The question about high mortality between civilians in the east or in the areas which would become so called Lebensraum was also connected with hunger. Even during the preparations for Barbarossa it was concluded that Germans would need food and materials from the conquered east and that this will cause great famine between Slavs. Milions will die or will have to escape further east. At that time German government still believed in quick victory.

We can see also from the diary of general Halder that Hitler wanted to speed up this process. On 8 July Halder wrote for example that Hitler confirmed its firm decision to level Moscow and Leningrad and make them uninhabitable so as to relieve Germany from necessity to feed the population during winter time.

More about this here:

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/92170/GS16and17.pdf

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