The Battle of Raseiniai

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Kelvin
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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

Post by Kelvin » 06 Mar 2020 09:20

AMVAS wrote:
03 Mar 2020 19:00
Kelvin wrote:
03 Mar 2020 12:04
AMVAS wrote:
06 Sep 2008 14:50
Well, hardly you can get figures of the Soviet casaulities. They simply had no oportunities to count them
As for tanks and other vehicles, really a large number of those were destroyed.
It was the 2nd Tank Division/3rd Mechanised Corps from the soviet side to defense in that area.
Data about its strength you can find on my page:
http://www.rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/ ... ps/3mk.htm

Some maps can be found here:
http://www.rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/ ... m#Baltic41

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Alex
Hello, Alex, cannot open that link. May you post their tank strength of 3rd Mechanized Corps ? division by division ? Thank
the address changed a bit due to my hoster:
http://armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/form ... ps/3mk.htm
Hello, Alex, thank so much for your link. Very helpful for me. :D

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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

Post by Kelvin » 15 Sep 2021 11:25

Art wrote:
11 Sep 2021 19:29
German scheme of the battle:
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/906977/map
HI, Art, thank for your additional data.

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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

Post by Kelvin » 21 Oct 2021 15:29

Kelvin wrote:
15 Sep 2021 11:25
Art wrote:
11 Sep 2021 19:29
German scheme of the battle:
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/pages/906977/map
HI, Art, thank for your additional data.
Hi, Art, I would like to ask you for help :

page 107 : 6774 pow (23 Aug to 9 Sept) 37 tank 11 pak, 4 flak, 17 guns 4 mortar,2624 minen

page 112 4177 pow (10-16 Sept) 58 guns 32 tanks,29 flak, 44 mortar, 226 mg 21 pak, 162 bunker, 650 minen

page 110 11350 pow ( 12-14 Sept)

page 110 16917 or 18917 pow (17-23 Sept)

what location in which battle happened ? do you know that ? thank

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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

Post by TheMarcksPlan » 24 Oct 2021 09:32

Is it pronounced rah-SIGH-nee-eye?
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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

Post by Art » 24 Oct 2021 13:57

Kelvin wrote:
21 Oct 2021 15:29
page 107 : 6774 pow (23 Aug to 9 Sept) 37 tank 11 pak, 4 flak, 17 guns 4 mortar,2624 minen
In the period between breakthrough of the Luga sector until contact with the Leningrad outerfortification belt 23(25).8-9.9.41
The number looks like 4774
That probably pertains to the 18 Army, specifically to the XXVI Corps
page 110 11350 pow ( 12-14 Sept)
Taken by the 4 Pz.Gr. on 12-14.9, including:
5500 by the 8 Pz.Div.
2610 - XXXXI Army Corps
1650 - L Army Corps
1590 - XXVIII Army Corps
page 110 16917 or 18917 pow (17-23 Sept)
in battles on the edge of Leningrad (eastern grupp of the 18 Army - XXVIII and L Corps) and in battles on the southern coast of the Gulf of Finland (central group - XXXVIII and XXVI Corps).
page 112 4177 pow (10-16 Sept) 58 guns 32 tanks,29 flak, 44 mortar, 226 mg 21 pak, 162 bunker, 650 minen
Taken by the 18 Army during breaktrhough of the Leningrad outer fortification belt and advance to the sea cast at Uritsk.

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Re: The Battle of Raseiniai

Post by Kelvin » 26 Oct 2021 10:09

Art wrote:
24 Oct 2021 13:57
Kelvin wrote:
21 Oct 2021 15:29
page 107 : 6774 pow (23 Aug to 9 Sept) 37 tank 11 pak, 4 flak, 17 guns 4 mortar,2624 minen
In the period between breakthrough of the Luga sector until contact with the Leningrad outerfortification belt 23(25).8-9.9.41
The number looks like 4774
That probably pertains to the 18 Army, specifically to the XXVI Corps
page 110 11350 pow ( 12-14 Sept)
Taken by the 4 Pz.Gr. on 12-14.9, including:
5500 by the 8 Pz.Div.
2610 - XXXXI Army Corps
1650 - L Army Corps
1590 - XXVIII Army Corps
page 110 16917 or 18917 pow (17-23 Sept)
in battles on the edge of Leningrad (eastern grupp of the 18 Army - XXVIII and L Corps) and in battles on the southern coast of the Gulf of Finland (central group - XXXVIII and XXVI Corps).
page 112 4177 pow (10-16 Sept) 58 guns 32 tanks,29 flak, 44 mortar, 226 mg 21 pak, 162 bunker, 650 minen
Taken by the 18 Army during breaktrhough of the Leningrad outer fortification belt and advance to the sea cast at Uritsk.
Hi, Art, thank for your help.

And I see about 16000 or 6000 pow taken by German in Novgorod area in page 98, did Soviet put up a fierce resistance in this area and resulted in so many pOW in this area ? I see other books always overlook about capture of city. Do u think 6000 or 16000 is correct ? thank

And why it did not show the Luga pocket with 20000 pow ? is it page 107 about 4774 pow is mean Luga pocket. (Luga sector from Aug 25 to Sept 9 ? thank

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