How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 30 May 2021 18:21

Ironically, according to the so-called Race Pope, Hans F. K. Günther, of the Third Reich, described all Europeans to be Mischlinge (mixed breed):
Racial anthropology is above all in the disagreeable position of having to pronounce the overwhelming majority of Europeans to be of mixed race, to be bastards. This renders it an awkward, disturbing science, making it something discomforting in the manner of that exhortation to 'know thyself'.
Nazi Robert Ley said in the 1930s:
Who of us is racially pure? Even if somebody's appearance is Nordic he might be a bastard inside. That somebody is blond and blue-eyed does not mean that he is racially pure. He might even be a degenerate coward. Bastardization shows in different aspects. We have to be on our guard against racial arrogance. Racial arrogance would be as devastating as hatred among classes.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by Cantankerous » 30 May 2021 21:22

I heard that Hitler did not like his plump nose, which he considered a Jewish physical trait (see https://www.media-diversity.org/underst ... tereotype/). If DNA tests published in 2010 showing that Hitler had Jewish and Berber ancestry are to be believed, then it's possible that Hitler disliked his nose and few other "Jewish" physical traits so much that he considered the Nordic race superior to Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 30 May 2021 23:39

Cantankerous wrote:
30 May 2021 21:22
I heard that Hitler did not like his plump nose, which he considered a Jewish physical trait (see https://www.media-diversity.org/underst ... tereotype/). If DNA tests published in 2010 showing that Hitler had Jewish and Berber ancestry are to be believed, then it's possible that Hitler disliked his nose and few other "Jewish" physical traits so much that he considered the Nordic race superior to Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs.
"Hitler" is not mentioned in the article you linked to about the Jewish hooked nose stereotype.

The so-called DNA results prove nothing.
I never wrote that Hitler was a Jew, or that he had a Jewish grandfather. I only wrote that Hitler's haplogroup is E1b1b, being more common among Afroasiatic speakers than among overall Germans. This, in order to convey that he was not exactly what during the Third Reich would have been called 'Aryan.' All the rest are speculations of journalists who didn't even take the trouble to read my article, although I had it translated into English especially for this purpose.
The accuracy of some of the coverage arising from this study was questioned. Professor Michael Hammer of Family Tree DNA said that "scientific studies as well as records from our own database[,] make it clear that one cannot reach the kind of conclusion featured in the published articles." Citing Family Tree DNA's own data that shows that more than 9% of the German and Austrian population belong to E-M35, and that about 80% of these are not Jewish, Hammer concluded, "[t]his data clearly shows that just because one person belongs to the branch of the Y-chromosome referred to as haplogroup E1b1b, that does not mean the person is likely to be of Jewish ancestry."

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by Cantankerous » 30 May 2021 23:45

I watched the documentary "Hitler and Stalin: Roots of Evil" and I heard that Hitler did not like his plump nose because he saw it as a Jewish physical trait.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 31 May 2021 00:04

Cantankerous wrote:
30 May 2021 23:45
I watched the documentary "Hitler and Stalin: Roots of Evil" and I heard that Hitler did not like his plump nose because he saw it as a Jewish physical trait.
I've seen it. That claim is a load of clobbers that is not backed up by any reliable sources.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by HistoryDistory » 28 Oct 2021 09:49

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23 May 2021 09:48
Does anybody not find it puzzling that what Adolf Hitler told the Germans that he wanted the future Germans to be was in fact the complete oppose of what he was himself?

1. He wasn't German. He was born in Austria-Hungary to Austrian parents.

2. He had dark brown hair, although it's true that he had blue eyes.

3. He was only of average height, certainly nothing like his SS men.

4. He was very lazy and he was not physically fit.

5. His ancestry remains a mystery. He spend so much time preaching about racial purity but ignored the fact that he never really knew who his paternal grandfather was.

I just can't understand why the Germans of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s found him so appealing. What was it exactly?

Look at all of the top Nazis - Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Goering, Joseph Goebbels, etc, and none of them really looked Nordic, apart from Reinhard Heydrich.

1. Well firstly, Hitler is German. To be German, let alone Germanic, is genetic. Austria is German, it has a majority German population (genetically and linguistically). Bringing Austria into the Reich, has Hitler famously stated "I myself, welcome you home (Austria)" So this is not puzzling, and would have little difference.

2. It actually does the opposite. You want like it, but to set a greater image/ideal for others and yourself, and to not be that image, it actually makes you selfless.

3. This plays into my above answer

4. "He was lazy" as in when he slept in late? I believe it's a product of him staying up all night. As for physically fit, born with certain ailments, he had many medical issues due to his inability to afford doctor visits, and his frequent times of hunger both as a child, and his time as an Artist.

5. It really doesn't. All the information we have suggest he is just a German (genetically) and nothing more. Attempts to make Hitler Jewish or saying he had "1 testicle" are attempts made by fiction writers.
I just can't understand why the Germans of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s found him so appealing. What was it exactly?
Well we'd have to understand the political climate at that time. We will now examine the reasons for how the German people could not only believe, but be excited about the National Socialist.

Firstly, major anti-German rhetoric by the western powers. When the new German empire turned out to be a massive success, it was perceived as an economic threat to the British Empire. Actions were taken to change the positive image of Germany, mainly by the press. Alfred Harmsworth, owner of “the Times” and other newspapers, played a special role in these propaganda attacks. He called for a war against Germany, quoting Cato the Elder, who, in the same way, had propagated a war against the Carthagians in ancient Rome. “Germania delenda est” - “Germany is to be destroyed”. In the 1890s! He got knighted for that. Anti German novels were launched and became a huge success: Invasion novels about Germany invading Britain, or German spies trying to prepare an invasion.

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The fictional report of Germans cutting off children’s hands was widely believed


Films were used for propaganda purposes, too. The Huns killing and raping - an early blockbuster. Because of their popularity, these films were still shown until the late 1920s. Many historians agree, that the Versailles Treaty helped the Nazis come to Power. The (so perceived) humiliation was the key element. Maybe historical research one day finds out about the relationship between WWI propaganda and the rise of the Nazis.

Read more on this here > https://www.fairobserver.com/region/nor ... ies-73296/

Secondly, The anti-Jewish perspective comes less from propaganda, and more so experience. Historically in Christian Europe, Jewish people have been caught poisonings wells, taking apart of usury (against the Christian faith), and going as far as sacrifices. It was not only the last 10-20 years for the Germans, but the last 1,000-1,500 years of experience. The death of Saint Simon of Trent and Saint Christopher (both Christian boys) were the prime examples in these beliefs.

It's important to remember Germany is a Christian nation, meaning it holds the belief in the bible, and Christianity, mainly the doctrine of Martin Luther. We will get into Martin Luther later, but for now, lets examine what the Christian Germans would have against Jews in Germany. For one, their art was seen as "degenerate" as in it's representation. As well as many anti-Christian/Pornographic art done by Jewish painters. Jewish art displayed sexual perversions of all sorts. As well as in the theatres, the first adultery and homosexual plays were held (see below).

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Some of the first homosexual theatres and plays. They were made in Berlin in the 1920’s.

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They also pushed forth the first adultery film and plays in the 1890’s.


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Furthermore on why the Germans had these opinions of Jews, would be further the "sexual degeneracy" that they saw within Germany. For example, In 1919, Magnus Hirschfeld and Arthur Kronfeld, founded the “Institut für Sexualwissenschaft” (Institute for ‘Sexual Research’) in Berlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_ ... 8MOPMcSMUk


In the Guido Knopp series "Nazis a lesson from history" this man when asked why he hated Jews so terribly answers. "Because of Jewish landlords financially exploiting his farming parents during the post WW1 depression. His hatred was clearly deeper and older than Nazi indoctrination.

An Einsatzgruppen documentary on Amazon prime. Another member of the Einsatzgruppen was asked why he hated Jews so much (women and children). He responded, "I know what the Jews did to my own family."


Now as I stated earlier, we'd pick up on Martin Luther. Martin Luther is a hero of the Protestant Reformation, and Germany was, and still is a majority, the largest majority, of Lutherans in the world. Let's see what Martin Luther wrote in his 1543. His essay on the Jews is scholarly, even a admirable analysis on Hebrew life and history. But later, he'd write his final opinions after efforts of trying to convert Jewish people.
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"What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews"
"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …"
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …"
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …"
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …"
"Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country

Now when you read that, which ones actually happened during the Third Reich? Number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 all happened. Not only is Martin Luther a religious authority to Protestants even today, but also is seen as a man of God. Why does he have these opinions? The same reason the Germans could so easily turn against a group of people, and that was their own experience.

Thirdly and finally and probably the most influential, was the disproportionate rate Jews played in important/influential societal positions. Where in 1931, a census was taken out of 234 theatrical managers. The results concluded that 118 or 50.4% were Jewish and 92 or 39.3% were not Jewish and he other 24% is unknown to determine what race they belonged to. Let me remind you Jews are little less than 2% of the population. In Berlin, 29 theatre managers, 23 or 80% of them were Jewish. 48% were medical men, 43% were school doctors, 68% welfare doctors, 45% hospital directors, 38% dentist, 54% Lawyers, 80% Theatres, and 50% teachers in medical faculty. Again, 2% of the population. In Prussia (38,000,000 people, 400,000 Jewish, 70,000 Foreign Jewish) on the 16th June 1925, Commerce and business, including hotel and restaurant businesses Jews account for 58.8%. The composition of the Anwaltkammer, the supreme representative body of lawyers in Berlin, out of 33 members, 22 or 66% of them were of Jewish origin. And all 4 General Directorate were Jewish. How many Jews were in the Directorate of the Reichs Rechtsanwaltskammer, the supreme representative body of the lawyers? Of the three members, chairman, business manager and sectary, all 3 were Jewish.

And how about papers/media?

The “Vossische Zeitung” (Circulation 75,000–90,000) was ran by Jewish men including Georg Bernhard (Chief editor), Elbau (alias Mandelbaum), Misch, Guttmann, Bernauer, Caspary, Goldstein, Solomon, Osborn, Schulvater Wiesenthal and Eloesser.

The staff of “B.Z am Mittag” (circulation 160,000) included such Jews as Hollering, Falk, Jacobson, Kiaulehn, Muhsam, Hackenberger, and others.

For the “Tempo” (circulation 125,000) they had Gutmann, Jacobi, Lachmann, Lustig and Zuckerkland, all of Jewish Origin.

The country population was worked upon through the “Grune Post” (circulation 920,000) founded by Richard Jatz, who is Jewish.

The “Berliner Illustrite Zeitung” had a circuatlion of 1,750,000. The chief editor was a Jew named Korff. H As well.

There was an overrepresentation of Jews that were at the senior members or leaders of the communist movement in Muich. Karl Radek (Sobelsohm) the then delegate of Soviet Propaganda in Germany. Levine-Nissen, Ernst Toller, Kurt Muhsam, Minister President Kurt Eisner, Levien, and Gustav Ladauer were all Jewish

"Germany Must Perish" by Theodore Newman Kaufman did not help the opinion on Jewish people either. You can read it, or skim through it's ideas here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

A wealthy Jew by the name of Willi Muzenberg published two major papers for the Communist Party. “The World In the Evening”, “Illustrated Workers” and the “Magazine for All” In 1923, the term "Jew Republic" was used to describe the Weimar government on the grounds that “it can denote the new legal and social order in Germany which was brought about in significant measure by German and foreign Jews.”



Given all of this information, we not only have logical reasonings, but experiences of peoples from countless generations that created such a belief.


Further reading...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_cult ... mpossible.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by ljadw » 28 Oct 2021 12:54

Radek, Eisner,etc were labeled Jews by their enemies, but there is no proof ,no proof at all that they considered themselves as Jews .

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 28 Oct 2021 14:25

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28 Oct 2021 09:49
1. Well firstly, Hitler is German. To be German, let alone Germanic, is genetic. Austria is German, it has a majority German population (genetically and linguistically). Bringing Austria into the Reich, has Hitler famously stated "I myself, welcome you home (Austria)" So this is not puzzling, and would have little difference.
Is or was? AFAIK, Adolf Hitler died in 1945.

Provide some sources that show Hitler was “genetically” German. Who was Hitler’s paternal grandfather?

Considering the historic differences between northern Germans and southern Germans, who is a German genetically? Is there even such a thing? What do you mean by that? Celtic tribes had settled in what is now Germany way before the Germanic tribes. The Old Prussians were a Baltic tribe who were Germanised during the Teutonic Order. Slavic tribes settled in many parts of Eastern Germany and a lot of “Germans” have Slavic surnames.

Considering the leading racial theorist of the Third Reich Hans F. K. Günther, known as the Race Pope, regarded all ethnic groups, including European ethnic groups, to be racially mixed, what is a genetic German or a genetic Italian or any other ethnic group in Europe?

How come no one in the Third Reich was ever able to define ‘German or related blood’?

Racial anthropologists during the Third Reich constantly argued with each other about defining “German”. If you can show me some evidence that the Nazis defined “Germans” racially to a satisfactory level then go ahead, but from what I have read, it remained problematic and was never solved. The same went for trying to define a “Jew”. The Nuremberg Laws were based on one’s ancestors’ religious affiliations.

Hitler undoubtedly considered himself a German and publicly declared himself as a German, but that doesn’t mean he was a German. If I suddenly declared to people that I was a Chinese or Indian man, it doesn’t mean I would be.

Whatever his ancestry, his family were inbred and his parents were so closely related that they had to get permission to get married.
2. It actually does the opposite. You want like it, but to set a greater image/ideal for others and yourself, and to not be that image, it actually makes you selfless.
It made him a hypocrite. Similarly, Heinrich Himmler wasn’t able to pass his own requirements for people wanting to join the Schutzstaffel (SS).

Even the Nordic looking Reinhard Heydrich was troubled by rumours of a Jewish ancestor.
3. This plays into my above answer
He was a hypocrite.
4. "He was lazy" as in when he slept in late? I believe it's a product of him staying up all night. As for physically fit, born with certain ailments, he had many medical issues due to his inability to afford doctor visits, and his frequent times of hunger both as a child, and his time as an Artist.
He was lazy during his early years and later pretended to have worked when in fact he never did any physical work.

He was lazy in the sense that during the war he was asleep when serious situations arose and he wasn’t able to give any orders.

He would stay up late and watch films and wake up late in the morning.

Go and read about the drugs he took to function.
5. It really doesn't. All the information we have suggest he is just a German (genetically) and nothing more. Attempts to make Hitler Jewish or saying he had "1 testicle" are attempts made by fiction writers.
What evidence is there that he was “genetically” German? Does even such a thing exist? Go ahead and provide some sources.

Historians don’t say that he was Jewish, but several historians have pointed out the irony of a man who made everyone who wanted to be a Reich citizen to provide proof of his/her ancestry when he couldn’t do it himself. There is a possibility that his grandfather was not the man who was later said to be. No one knows, not even Hitler knew.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 28 Oct 2021 14:38

HistoryDistory wrote:
28 Oct 2021 09:49
I just can't understand why the Germans of the Weimar Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s found him so appealing. What was it exactly?
Well we'd have to understand the political climate at that time. We will now examine the reasons for how the German people could not only believe, but be excited about the National Socialist.

Firstly, major anti-German rhetoric by the western powers. When the new German empire turned out to be a massive success, it was perceived as an economic threat to the British Empire. Actions were taken to change the positive image of Germany, mainly by the press. Alfred Harmsworth, owner of “the Times” and other newspapers, played a special role in these propaganda attacks. He called for a war against Germany, quoting Cato the Elder, who, in the same way, had propagated a war against the Carthagians in ancient Rome. “Germania delenda est” - “Germany is to be destroyed”. In the 1890s! He got knighted for that. Anti German novels were launched and became a huge success: Invasion novels about Germany invading Britain, or German spies trying to prepare an invasion.

Image
The fictional report of Germans cutting off children’s hands was widely believed


Films were used for propaganda purposes, too. The Huns killing and raping - an early blockbuster. Because of their popularity, these films were still shown until the late 1920s. Many historians agree, that the Versailles Treaty helped the Nazis come to Power. The (so perceived) humiliation was the key element. Maybe historical research one day finds out about the relationship between WWI propaganda and the rise of the Nazis.

Read more on this here > https://www.fairobserver.com/region/nor ... ies-73296/

Secondly, The anti-Jewish perspective comes less from propaganda, and more so experience. Historically in Christian Europe, Jewish people have been caught poisonings wells, taking apart of usury (against the Christian faith), and going as far as sacrifices. It was not only the last 10-20 years for the Germans, but the last 1,000-1,500 years of experience. The death of Saint Simon of Trent and Saint Christopher (both Christian boys) were the prime examples in these beliefs.

It's important to remember Germany is a Christian nation, meaning it holds the belief in the bible, and Christianity, mainly the doctrine of Martin Luther. We will get into Martin Luther later, but for now, lets examine what the Christian Germans would have against Jews in Germany. For one, their art was seen as "degenerate" as in it's representation. As well as many anti-Christian/Pornographic art done by Jewish painters. Jewish art displayed sexual perversions of all sorts. As well as in the theatres, the first adultery and homosexual plays were held (see below).

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Some of the first homosexual theatres and plays. They were made in Berlin in the 1920’s.

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They also pushed forth the first adultery film and plays in the 1890’s.


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Furthermore on why the Germans had these opinions of Jews, would be further the "sexual degeneracy" that they saw within Germany. For example, In 1919, Magnus Hirschfeld and Arthur Kronfeld, founded the “Institut für Sexualwissenschaft” (Institute for ‘Sexual Research’) in Berlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_ ... 8MOPMcSMUk


In the Guido Knopp series "Nazis a lesson from history" this man when asked why he hated Jews so terribly answers. "Because of Jewish landlords financially exploiting his farming parents during the post WW1 depression. His hatred was clearly deeper and older than Nazi indoctrination.

An Einsatzgruppen documentary on Amazon prime. Another member of the Einsatzgruppen was asked why he hated Jews so much (women and children). He responded, "I know what the Jews did to my own family."


Now as I stated earlier, we'd pick up on Martin Luther. Martin Luther is a hero of the Protestant Reformation, and Germany was, and still is a majority, the largest majority, of Lutherans in the world. Let's see what Martin Luther wrote in his 1543. His essay on the Jews is scholarly, even a admirable analysis on Hebrew life and history. But later, he'd write his final opinions after efforts of trying to convert Jewish people.
tree.”
"What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews"
"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …"
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …"
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …"
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …"
"Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country

Now when you read that, which ones actually happened during the Third Reich? Number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 all happened. Not only is Martin Luther a religious authority to Protestants even today, but also is seen as a man of God. Why does he have these opinions? The same reason the Germans could so easily turn against a group of people, and that was their own experience.

Thirdly and finally and probably the most influential, was the disproportionate rate Jews played in important/influential societal positions. Where in 1931, a census was taken out of 234 theatrical managers. The results concluded that 118 or 50.4% were Jewish and 92 or 39.3% were not Jewish and he other 24% is unknown to determine what race they belonged to. Let me remind you Jews are little less than 2% of the population. In Berlin, 29 theatre managers, 23 or 80% of them were Jewish. 48% were medical men, 43% were school doctors, 68% welfare doctors, 45% hospital directors, 38% dentist, 54% Lawyers, 80% Theatres, and 50% teachers in medical faculty. Again, 2% of the population. In Prussia (38,000,000 people, 400,000 Jewish, 70,000 Foreign Jewish) on the 16th June 1925, Commerce and business, including hotel and restaurant businesses Jews account for 58.8%. The composition of the Anwaltkammer, the supreme representative body of lawyers in Berlin, out of 33 members, 22 or 66% of them were of Jewish origin. And all 4 General Directorate were Jewish. How many Jews were in the Directorate of the Reichs Rechtsanwaltskammer, the supreme representative body of the lawyers? Of the three members, chairman, business manager and sectary, all 3 were Jewish.

And how about papers/media?

The “Vossische Zeitung” (Circulation 75,000–90,000) was ran by Jewish men including Georg Bernhard (Chief editor), Elbau (alias Mandelbaum), Misch, Guttmann, Bernauer, Caspary, Goldstein, Solomon, Osborn, Schulvater Wiesenthal and Eloesser.

The staff of “B.Z am Mittag” (circulation 160,000) included such Jews as Hollering, Falk, Jacobson, Kiaulehn, Muhsam, Hackenberger, and others.

For the “Tempo” (circulation 125,000) they had Gutmann, Jacobi, Lachmann, Lustig and Zuckerkland, all of Jewish Origin.

The country population was worked upon through the “Grune Post” (circulation 920,000) founded by Richard Jatz, who is Jewish.

The “Berliner Illustrite Zeitung” had a circuatlion of 1,750,000. The chief editor was a Jew named Korff. H As well.

There was an overrepresentation of Jews that were at the senior members or leaders of the communist movement in Muich. Karl Radek (Sobelsohm) the then delegate of Soviet Propaganda in Germany. Levine-Nissen, Ernst Toller, Kurt Muhsam, Minister President Kurt Eisner, Levien, and Gustav Ladauer were all Jewish

"Germany Must Perish" by Theodore Newman Kaufman did not help the opinion on Jewish people either. You can read it, or skim through it's ideas here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

A wealthy Jew by the name of Willi Muzenberg published two major papers for the Communist Party. “The World In the Evening”, “Illustrated Workers” and the “Magazine for All” In 1923, the term "Jew Republic" was used to describe the Weimar government on the grounds that “it can denote the new legal and social order in Germany which was brought about in significant measure by German and foreign Jews.”



Given all of this information, we not only have logical reasonings, but experiences of peoples from countless generations that created such a belief.


Further reading...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_cult ... mpossible.
Jews have lived in Germany since at least the year 321.

Anti-Semitism isn’t why the Germans flocked to the Nazis. Anti-Semitism wasn’t even used in any of the major campaigns in the elections of the early 1930s. Hitler didn’t mention it in his first speech as Chancellor.

Hitler wasn’t even able to get more than a third of freeman’s to vote for him in any free election and in the last election before he was in power the Nazis lost votes and the Communists gained votes. Hitler wasn’t elected, he was appointed as Chancellor and many of the people in the Reichstag thought that they could control him and basically just use and abuse him.

If you think the reasons you listed are why people voted and/or supported Hitler and the Nazis then you’re living in cloud cuckoo land. Most Germans didn’t give a toss if homosexuals were in films, Jewish people owned newspapers, etc.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 28 Oct 2021 14:47

Ah, I’ve just looked at HistoryDistory’s profile and the following is what it says:
Interests in history:
Studied the rise of the Third Reich
Studied the Bolshevik revolution.
Studied WW2 British/German conflict.
Studied the Economic and Social accomplishments of the Third Reich.
Studied Jewish influence of the Weimar Republic
Studied the practice of Jewish ritual murders
Studied the Waffen-SS
Studied the persecution of Ethnic Germans in Poland and Czech
Studied Jewish sexual revolution in Germany
Currently studying the origins of modern Judaism
Currently studying the WW1 “Stabbed in the Back” (Almost complete)
Currently studying the protestant reformer, Martin Luther
With his location listed as Israel. :roll:

Well… If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

I think we know what we’re dealing with here.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by HistoryDistory » 29 Oct 2021 08:28

George L Gregory wrote:
28 Oct 2021 14:25


Provide some sources that show Hitler was “genetically” German. Who was Hitler’s paternal grandfather?
Given all the evidence, the only conclusion is that he is German? Furthermore, his features are German. Sharp long nose is a European trait, blue eyes are a Northern European trait. His father was Austrian (Genetic German) and his mother was Austrian (Genetic German)

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Long/Sharp nose bridge, blue eyes, flat/straight hair. These are all European/Northern European traits

If that's not enough for you, according to Jeremy Roberts, who wrote Adolf Hitler: A Study in Hate that "the family is of Austrian German ethnicity"





Considering the historic differences between northern Germans and southern Germans, who is a German genetically?
What? They are still German? They have religious differences yes, the Southern Part was mainly Catholic, and the Northern part was mainly Lutheran Protestant. They are still, by their blood, German. So who is German genetically? Physical characteristics, family trees, etc. (And now in the modern age, you can know for sure what you are by a genetic DNA test)

Is there even such a thing? What do you mean by that?
Yes, there is. It's the basics of human diversity. Humans are diverse, just as many other species in the world are. God made races, and races are isolated peoples that have developed around their environment. A scientist from any number of fields can look at a centuries-old skull and tell you which race its owner belonged to without doing a DNA test. How? The diversity of the skulls between the racial classifications. Those classifications being Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Capoid, Negroid, and Australoid. This is because the differences between races are not social constructs but biologically discernible and measurable differences that go much deeper than superficial things like skin color, eye color, etc. And include such things as cranial size, brain shape, average IQ and IQ distribution, average ability to defer gratification, bone density, blood type, hormonal composition, gut fauna, the adaptability to certain climates, tolerance to alcohol, and a GREAT LONG LIST of average differences in health/sickness issues. You can read more about genetic diversity within humanity below.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 960200137X
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10 ... 9802800301
Celtic tribes had settled in what is now Germany way before the Germanic tribes. The Old Prussians were a Baltic tribe who were Germanized during the Teutonic Order. Slavic tribes settled in many parts of Eastern Germany and a lot of “Germans” have Slavic surnames.
Germany had its own Slavs from the beginning, long before Hitler did any conquests. Sorbs in Lusace, Silesians in Upper-Silesia, Cachous in West Prussia and Masurians in East Prussia all were German people speaking Slavic dialects very close to Polish language. None of them were targeted by the "anti-Slavic" policies. Even many people speaking only German had Slavic roots or family names, especially in the east. Mainly because these peoples have German blood I.E Considered German, AND have been Germanized. Afrikaners, Austrians, Danes, Dutch, English, Flemish, Frisians, Germans, Icelanders, Lowland Scots, Norwegians, Swedes, and including diaspora populations, such as some groups of European Americans are all Germanic.

This is through Ethnicity, which Ethnicity is both biological and a cultural classification. The defining characteristics of an “ethnic group” were first described by Herodotus in the 5th Century BC as a people united by…
The same blood,
The same language,
And the same culture.

The Ancient Greek term ἔθνος (ethnos) is cognate with Latin natio; both translate to “tribe, family, nation, race.”



Considering the leading racial theorist of the Third Reich Hans F. K. Günther, known as the Race Pope, regarded all ethnic groups, including European ethnic groups, to be racially mixed, what is a genetic German or a genetic Italian or any other ethnic group in Europe?
Northwestern European = Genetically Germanic
Southern European = Genetically Italic (Southern Europe is much larger then Northwestern Europe, and more more diverse. Greeks/Spaniards being two other main groups. However, for the historic history <Roman Empire> and the similarity with the Italic language, it's fair to make this assertion.)

Spaniards are primarily Mediterranean by admixture (50%). Northwestern European (which can include Celtic and Germanic makes up 25% of their admixture and the remainder North African, Caucasian, Semitic, Middle Eastern and other African and Asian ancestries make up the other 25%.

So yes, the Spaniards are pretty mixed. This is due to their proximity to Africa and history of invasion. Similar to how the Arabic invasions in around the middle East and even into parts of Europe genetically changed groups of people.

As for addressing "racially mixed" as in reference to how "Englishmen" would mix with "Danish women" or vice versa, it has little difference. Because both of the peoples are Germanic. Denmark, Switzerland, France, Ireland, Britain, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Finland. Finns are of Baltic and Germanic people, Hitler has described the Baltic people as great candidates capable of Germanization (assimilation).


How come no one in the Third Reich was ever able to define ‘German or related blood’?
Probably the genetic knowledge at the time. You could mostly tell who was Germanic by the family tree and physical features. Semitic peoples have distinct features, just as Germanic people.
Racial anthropologists during the Third Reich constantly argued with each other about defining “German”.
Can you provide reference to where these arguments/disagreements were listed?
If you can show me some evidence that the Nazis defined “Germans” racially to a satisfactory level then go ahead, but from what I have read, it remained problematic and was never solved. The same went for trying to define a “Jew”. The Nuremberg Laws were based on one’s ancestors’ religious affiliations.
You are attempting to overcomplicate something that was not entirely overcomplicated, the only complication would arrive from mixed race people, mainly those who take favor of their German traits rather then the other parents trait. Jewish people had certain physical features, yes the nose, but also curly hair, dark features, and phenotype. Now if you have a Mischling, a mixture of a Jew and a German, this would create confusion. Especially since as you know with genetics, a child can get favorable traits from their mother or father. This would likely be one of the main issues with telling who is German. What we do know, is that Germany at that time had a super majority 95%+ being German, 2% being Jewish, and the other were incredibly small pockets of minorities.


Hitler undoubtedly considered himself a German and publicly declared himself as a German, but that doesn’t mean he was a German. If I suddenly declared to people that I was a Chinese or Indian man, it doesn’t mean I would be.
That was an awful comparison, utterly awful. Does Hitler look Chinese? Does Hitler look Indian? Hitler is German, by all evidence we have, he is German.

Whatever his ancestry, his family were inbred and his parents were so closely related that they had to get permission to get married.
Welcome to common life in Europe. Everyone is a mixing of their own kin, one way or another. Marrying a cousin was hardly anything looked down upon. I have no idea why you brought it up.

It made him a hypocrite. Similarly, Heinrich Himmler wasn’t able to pass his own requirements for people wanting to join the Schutzstaffel (SS).
Well you say it could make him a hypocrite, but it also makes him look selfless. Pushing for an ideal greater than oneself, is definition selfless. So what you said is entirely subjective.


Even the Nordic looking Reinhard Heydrich was troubled by rumor's of a Jewish ancestor.
Yes, and there was a whole investigation into him by the Gestapo and it turned out to be what you said, Rumors.
He was a hypocrite.
Which is subjective, as I explained above.
He was lazy during his early years and later pretended to have worked when in fact he never did any physical work.
He did manage to get into the army, and was a message runner (had high death rates). Hitler writes about his military training, and how different it was from his time in Vienna which was calm and relaxing, where he could paint and sleep in. So yes, as a painter, he'd be lazy. But to say as a person he was lazy just wouldn't be true given the historical context.
He was lazy in the sense that during the war he was asleep when serious situations arose and he wasn’t able to give any orders.
Again, a result of him working/watching/doing whatever Hitler wanted to late hours.
He would stay up late and watch films and wake up late in the morning.
Please do not generalize Hitler's nights (there are a lot nights in 12 years).
Go and read about the drugs he took to function.
Yes, he took drugs, but he was not some crazy drug addict. As much as you want to paint him as a demon, he's a human. Most of what Hitler's generals write are distortions of truth to blame everything on Hitler.


What evidence is there that he was “genetically” German? Does even such a thing exist? Go ahead and provide some sources.
Provided above. But yes, there is such a thing as being a "Genetic German" go ahead and take a DNA test here https://www.23andme.com/en-ca/

As I explained above, there are races, and within races, ethnicities. As much as social scientists and many non-scientific social activists are promoting the idea that race is a social construct, medical professionals — whose job depends on not killing people — realize that there are many no-nonsense biological realities to race in the medical world, including, but not limited to, disease susceptibility, medication compatibility, medication dosage, and the ability to receive tissue and organ donations. See an example below. So yes, "Such a thing" does exist. As for Hitler being German, as I have already said, given all the evidence presented, we have no reason to deny that Hitler was a genetic German.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/why-mixed-r ... nt-matches

Historians don’t say that he was Jewish, but several historians have pointed out the irony of a man who made everyone who wanted to be a Reich citizen to provide proof of his/her ancestry when he couldn’t do it himself. There is a possibility that his grandfather was not the man who was later said to be. No one knows, not even Hitler knew.
Well Hitler knew he was German, cause again, given his known family, he is German.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by HistoryDistory » 29 Oct 2021 08:29

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Ah, I’ve just looked at HistoryDistory’s profile and the following is what it says:
With his location listed as Israel. :roll:

Well… If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

I think we know what we’re dealing with here.
I simply study topics that peek my interest? :D

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by HistoryDistory » 29 Oct 2021 08:45

Jews have lived in Germany since at least the year 321.
Yes? This only bolsters my points.
Anti-Semitism isn’t why the Germans flocked to the Nazis. Anti-Semitism wasn’t even used in any of the major campaigns in the elections of the early 1930s. Hitler didn’t mention it in his first speech as Chancellor.
I never claimed Anti-Semitism was the reason Germans flocked to the Nazis? I stated where the opinion of the Jews would or even could have stemmed from, and the long history from it. Please make sure to read what I said. The point was to show why the majority of Germans supported the party, because it aligned with the majority of Germans beliefs. The anti-Jewry sentiment was already listed in Hitler's book, which was published 5 years before the campaigns in the elections. As well, you can watch a ton of speeches online where there is no hiding the sentiment.

Hitler wasn’t even able to get more than a third of freeman’s to vote for him in any free election and in the last election before he was in power the Nazis lost votes and the Communists gained votes. Hitler wasn’t elected, he was appointed as Chancellor and many of the people in the Reichstag thought that they could control him and basically just use and abuse him.
I have no idea why you are rehearing? This has nothing to do with the argument I presented. Perhaps you could enlighten me on the relevance?
If you think the reasons you listed are why people voted and/or supported Hitler and the Nazis then you’re living in cloud cuckoo land


Yet you have failed to provide any alternative reasons? These are some of many reasons why people were able to support, and as far as even want the Germans/National Socialist to be their leaders. Austria and Ukraine being the prime example. All the arguments I've presented have immense value on what would actually take place, because it's hundreds of years of tradition and religion and values that people hold. Most times, and especially in the early 1900's, held these views in a fanatical fashion.
Most Germans didn’t give a toss if homosexuals were in films, Jewish people owned newspapers, etc.
"Most Germans" this in itself is anti-Intellectual. You do not know most Germans, nor do you seem to have studied the Third Reich at all, let alone it's people. The Germans have historically been a "ultra-Christian" nation, dating back to the Holy Roman Empire.

Yes, A majority Christian population, which has a large distaste (especially in the 1920's) for homosexuality, especially in films, and to go as far as creating institutions for it, would create a great stigma. How can you be honest with yourself and say otherwise? To say otherwise is to disregard Christianity, the traditions of it, and the history of it, and it's dealings with sinners. Having Jewish people influence German media, and play a large role in the communist party, and the Bolshevik revolution, would indeed create a stigma for a majority conservative German population? The reason Hindenburg brought in Hitler was because of the rise of the Communist party in Germany which topped 360,000 members in 1932.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by HistoryDistory » 29 Oct 2021 08:48

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Radek, Eisner,etc were labeled Jews by their enemies, but there is no proof ,no proof at all that they considered themselves as Jews .
Karl Radek, original name was Karol Sobelsohn, was born to a Jewish Litvak Family.

Kuurt Eisner father and mother were both Jewish.

As for the "etc" you'll need to give me the names. Please, before you make a comment, research the people.

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Re: How did Adolf Hitler, an Austrian, dark haired man convince the German people that the Nordic race was superior?

Post by George L Gregory » 29 Oct 2021 09:34

I didn’t read any evidence that Hitler was “genetically” German. He was a German-speaking Austrian who considered himself to be a German. His ancestry on his father’s side remains unknown because his father Alois Schicklgruber was born out of wedlock and his morher never revealed who his father was, do you not know that basic facts? Hitler’s opponents quickly picked up on this and published all sorts of rumours about his ancestry.

The Austrian scientist Max von Gruber met Hitler for the first time during the Beer Hall Putsch trial and described him as:
It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism.
Such a wonderful example of the racially superior Aryan race… :lol: :lol: :lol:

There’s no such thing as looking German. Nazi racial anthropologists even agreed that the Germans were a mixture of the different sub-races so just like any other group of people they were and are a diverse group.

Does Roberts give a source for his claim that Hitler’s family were of German ethnicity? I checked the book via Google books and I didn’t see any citation.

Northern Germans and southern Germans have different origins. Prussians and Bavarians are not from the same origins, yet both are described as Germans.

You seem to be posting outdated pseudoscience nonsense. You should read what modern-day anthropologists abd scientists say about “race”. It’s certainly NOT what you think.

There were plenty of German Jews who had “Nordic” features. Your claim that people could separate Germans and Jews racially is a load of bunk and anthropologists during the 1930s admitted that it was not possible,

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