SS-Galizien (or ostfreiwillige) in occupied Krakau

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SS-Galizien (or ostfreiwillige) in occupied Krakau

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Post by Orlov » 17 Dec 2021, 11:18

Please
Although I have Roman Ponomarienko's books, I have not found any information about the structures of SS-Galizien in occupied Krakow. Can anyone suggest whether it was possible for a training center for Ukrainians (or any other elements) to be located in Krakau?
Or maybe some ostbataillonen or ostlegionen were stationed in Krakau?
PS: I certainly know about the SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger backup company - but that's a different story

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Post by RG » 19 Dec 2021, 12:21

Orlov wrote:
17 Dec 2021, 11:18
Please
Although I have Roman Ponomarienko's books, I have not found any information about the structures of SS-Galizien in occupied Krakow. Can anyone suggest whether it was possible for a training center for Ukrainians (or any other elements) to be located in Krakau?
Or maybe some ostbataillonen or ostlegionen were stationed in Krakau?
PS: I certainly know about the SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger backup company - but that's a different story
Ukrainian forces stationed at least in one of the old austrian forts: Prokocim no 50 http://www.fortyck.pl/fort_50_prokocim.htm


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Post by Askold » 20 Dec 2021, 19:43

Hi Orlov,

Do you mind providing exact info from Roman's book? I don't belive I've come across this information either.

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Post by Orlov » 21 Dec 2021, 21:55

RG wrote:
19 Dec 2021, 12:21
Ukrainian forces stationed at least in one of the old austrian forts: Prokocim no 50 http://www.fortyck.pl/fort_50_prokocim.htm
Thanks, but please forgive me, but this is no information - which battalion or which unit Of Osttruppen or SS-Freiwilligen-Division Galizien stationed there.
Askold wrote:
20 Dec 2021, 19:43
Hi Orlov, Do you mind providing exact info from Roman's book? I don't belive I've come across this information either.
You must have misread my opinion - I consider the Ponomarienko's books valuable (I was scared of only one sentence in the chapter on Huta Pieniacka in "Галицькі добровольчі полки СС 1943-1944" - if not for this sentence he would have been a great historian for me, but he is very good). I am waiting for his full monograph, SS-Galizien, because I feel it will be better than the books by Logusz and Melnyk.
I thought I would find something in the his latest "Українські Юнкершафті" - but only and exhaustively about Posen-Treskow (now Owinsk near Poznan). I still do not know which Ukrainian unit was stationed /trained in Crakow.
PS: Recently, in the documents from the Polish Institute of National Remembrance on the case against a Ukrainian teacher, I found information about the SS-Galizien training in Krakow - but only generalities.

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Post by RG » 22 Dec 2021, 12:52

Orlov wrote:
21 Dec 2021, 21:55
RG wrote:
19 Dec 2021, 12:21
Ukrainian forces stationed at least in one of the old austrian forts: Prokocim no 50 http://www.fortyck.pl/fort_50_prokocim.htm
Thanks, but please forgive me, but this is no information - which battalion or which unit Of Osttruppen or SS-Freiwilligen-Division Galizien stationed there.

Sorry, I do not have any other knowledge on this matter. In your post you asked if it was possible there was a training center for Ukrainians. In this particular fort there could be a training center, since there were also sent for trainings soldiers of "goralenvolk ss" but for short, since they didn't cooperate with Ukrainins easily;)

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Post by Steve » 22 Dec 2021, 15:28

Hello, some personnel from the Nachtigall and Roland battalions received training in Krakow and a small number were later incorporated into SS Galicia.

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Post by Orlov » 03 Jan 2022, 20:58

Thanks Steve!
But only single Ukrainian soldiers and officers from the units formed by the Abwehr in 1941 served in the SS-Freiwilligen-Division “Galizien”/14.Galizische SS-Freiwilligen-Division - I mean in the first time of subunit training in GG or Reich.
I would also like to know the place where these Ukrainians were stationed - which particular Cracovian fort served from their quarters.

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