Largest Submarine fleet in the World
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Largest Submarine fleet in the World
For the first two years of the war Italy incredibly had the largest submarine fleet in the world, how succesful was it? What were its activities in the atlantic if any at all?
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Italy had 117 submarines in 1940:
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Submarines.html.
In Atlantic Regia Marina submarines were present. They didn't have a schnorkel and were too large for "wolfpack" employement but they were fast, with powerful guns and a large space for torpedoes storage just like Japanese submarines, they usually attacked lone merchant ships as surface raiders did."Tazzoli" class was armed with two 120/45 guns and 8 533 mm torpedo tubes.
Their success was not not comparable to German U-boots but they were well trained for the surface fighting , submarine Torricelli sunk British destroyer Khartoum by its 100/47 mm gun .Submarine Da Vinci was the most successful in Atlantic ocean:
http://www.subnetitalia.it/regiovinci.htm
In 1943 Decima Flottiglia Mas was ready to attack New York and Freetown by SLC(that sunk Queen Elizabeth and Valiant ) carried by submarine Da Vinci.
The Russian fleet in 1940 had more submarines but according to Stalin's strategical projects the role of the fleet and ,in the same way,of the submarines was no more than an auxiliary service for the army.
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Submarines.html.
In Atlantic Regia Marina submarines were present. They didn't have a schnorkel and were too large for "wolfpack" employement but they were fast, with powerful guns and a large space for torpedoes storage just like Japanese submarines, they usually attacked lone merchant ships as surface raiders did."Tazzoli" class was armed with two 120/45 guns and 8 533 mm torpedo tubes.
Their success was not not comparable to German U-boots but they were well trained for the surface fighting , submarine Torricelli sunk British destroyer Khartoum by its 100/47 mm gun .Submarine Da Vinci was the most successful in Atlantic ocean:
http://www.subnetitalia.it/regiovinci.htm
In 1943 Decima Flottiglia Mas was ready to attack New York and Freetown by SLC(that sunk Queen Elizabeth and Valiant ) carried by submarine Da Vinci.
The Russian fleet in 1940 had more submarines but according to Stalin's strategical projects the role of the fleet and ,in the same way,of the submarines was no more than an auxiliary service for the army.
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Hmm... I think I agree with Harri: http://uboat.net/allies/ships/soviet.htmHarri wrote:I think Soviet Union had even more submarines?
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General info and picturesHarri wrote:Well, at least it would be very interesting to hear about these not so commonly known subs and their operations. What kind of subs Italy had? Any photos/pictures and data?
How about Rumania, did they have subs on Black Sea?
http://www.regiamarina.net/arsenals/shi ... ubs_us.htm
Information on Italian Black Sea operations
http://www.regiamarina.net/others/black ... a_I_us.htm
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Hello HarriHarri wrote:How about Rumania, did they have subs on Black Sea?
The Romanian Black Sea Division had 3 subs in all:
NMS Delfinul (launched on 5 May 1936)
NMS Rechinul (" " 5 May 1941)
NMS Marsuinul (date unknown to me)
for their technical specs. and photos I suggest you take a look at Victor's article:
http://www.wwii.home.ro/art04.htm
There were also five CB midget subs, which entered Romanian arsenal after Italy quit the Axis.
I wouldalso like to make one comment on the article, which I did not have time to modify. According to Soviet sources the "Uralles" (1975 brt) (not "Uraletz"!) was sunk by German aircraft at Evpatoria on 29.10.41.
NMS Delfinul torpedoed the motor tanker
"Kreml'" (ex. "Soujz Vodnikov" - 1932 built /tonnage - 7661 brt). "Kreml'"
wasn't sunk, but only damaged.
I wouldalso like to make one comment on the article, which I did not have time to modify. According to Soviet sources the "Uralles" (1975 brt) (not "Uraletz"!) was sunk by German aircraft at Evpatoria on 29.10.41.
NMS Delfinul torpedoed the motor tanker
"Kreml'" (ex. "Soujz Vodnikov" - 1932 built /tonnage - 7661 brt). "Kreml'"
wasn't sunk, but only damaged.
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The largest submarine fleet
Salve amici,
There lies no doubt that the largest submarine fleet at the outbreak of the war in September 1939 was the Red Banner (Soviet) submarine fleet which numbered 168 submarines, of which 24 were obsolete, what is, I believe, more what United Kingdom, USA, Italy or Japan had.
Hope this has helped to solve a dilemma.
Gratiam, Octavianus
There lies no doubt that the largest submarine fleet at the outbreak of the war in September 1939 was the Red Banner (Soviet) submarine fleet which numbered 168 submarines, of which 24 were obsolete, what is, I believe, more what United Kingdom, USA, Italy or Japan had.
Hope this has helped to solve a dilemma.
Gratiam, Octavianus
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Re: The largest submarine fleet
On the eve of Operation Barbarossa, the Soviet Navy had 218 submarines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Navy), Italy had a peak strength of almost 170 submarines in WW2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regia_Marina#Submarines), and the Imperial Japanese Navy boasted 195 submarines on the eve of WW2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_ ... rld_War_II). Therefore, the Regia Marina had the third-largest submarine fleet.Octavianus wrote: ↑17 Jul 2003, 00:14Salve amici,
There lies no doubt that the largest submarine fleet at the outbreak of the war in September 1939 was the Red Banner (Soviet) submarine fleet which numbered 168 submarines, of which 24 were obsolete, what is, I believe, more what United Kingdom, USA, Italy or Japan had.
Hope this has helped to solve a dilemma.
Gratiam, Octavianus
Re: Largest Submarine fleet in the World
What does one mean with "on the eve of WW2" though? Japan entered the war in December 1941, if they built a considerable number of those submarines in 1940-1941 it does not make much sense to compare this number with Italy's numbers of June 1940.
As far as I know Italy had the second largest submarine fleet (the first one being the Soviet) in 1940. Later in the war it was surpassed by several navies that had lower numbers at the start of the war but greater wartime shipbuilding capacity - the Kriegsmarine, the USN, the Royal Navy, the IJN.
As far as I know Italy had the second largest submarine fleet (the first one being the Soviet) in 1940. Later in the war it was surpassed by several navies that had lower numbers at the start of the war but greater wartime shipbuilding capacity - the Kriegsmarine, the USN, the Royal Navy, the IJN.