ljadw wrote: ↑
01 May 2022 18:49
There was no Austrian state prior 1918,thus there was no Austrian people before 1918 . It is as simple as that .
No it’s not as simple as that. Ethnicity and citizenship are two different things.
Austrians have existed for hundreds of years and like Bavarians, Prussians and others, were considered to be a part of the Germans.
There is no such thing as ethnic Germans :
Of course there is such a thing.
Boris Johnson has no English ethnicity : his forefathers were Jewish, German, French, Osman ,etc .. but that does not prevent him to be accepted as the PM of Britain .
No one has ever claimed Boris Johnson to be of just English ethnicity.
The ethnicity of Bonaparte was Italian, but he was French Emperor, the German ethnicity of Hitler is very dubious,but that did not prevent him to be the dictator of Germany .
I have already given the example of Madeleine Albright who spoke Czech and had a Czech culture but was not an ethnic Czech.The same for Kissinger who was not an ethnic German .
Eh? I thought that you didn’t think ethnicity existed. How dare you assume Bonaparte’s ‘ethnicity’!!!
Bonaparte was an ethnically Italian and Hitler was ethnically German.
Madeleine Albright was ethnically Jewish.
You are always contradicting yourself.
There is no such thing as ethnicity, ethnicity is only a politically correct word for race .
Back to basic 101:
An ethnic group or an ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include common sets of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area. Ethnicity is sometimes used interchangeably with the term nation, particularly in cases of ethnic nationalism, and is separate from the related concept of races.
YOU are claiming that after 1866 German speaking inhabitants of Cisleithania ,were ethnic Germans , but you can,t answer the question why til 1918 these ethnic Germans refused to be a part of a German state and preferred to remain citizens of a supranational state .
Speaking German and ''having a German culture '' (haha ) does not make you a German .
The Austrians lost the war that ultimately unified Germany and therefore had no role to play in German affairs.
How many times do I need to keep posting that basic historical fact for you to understand it?
Someone is ethnically German if his or her ancestors were ethnic Germans i.e. They were/are German-speakers and belong to German culture.
The German speaking citizens of Switzerland who have a German culture are NOT ethnic Germans, they would feel insulted if you would call them ethnic Germans .
The French speaking inhabitants of Wallonia are NOT ethnic French, the Dutch speaking inhabitants of Flanders are not ethnic Dutch,the German speaking inhabitants of South Tirol are not ethnic Germans .
Well according to you there’s no such thing as ethnicity, so how do you know all of this?
Anyway, 65% of Swiss identify as ethnic Germans.
From Information about Switzerland, Also known as Confoederatio Helvetica (therefore the abbreviation CH):
The coach of FC Anderlecht, Vincent Kompany, speaks Dutch, French, English , but this does not make him ethnic French, Dutch or British .
Because his ancestors are not from those countries.
Speaking a language =/= Belonging to an ethnic group