A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by ljadw » 31 May 2022, 21:24

Takao wrote:
31 May 2022, 19:24
ljadw wrote:
31 May 2022, 15:05
In April 1944 Hejas, Me 210 and Bf 109 shot 6 US aircraft in an air battle .
Meh...On April 22, 1944, German Me-410s shot down 12.

Keep trying.
This is meaningless : that the Me-410 shot down 12 US aircraft,has nothing to do with the question if the Me-210 was crap .

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Takao » 31 May 2022, 21:28

ljadw wrote:
31 May 2022, 21:24
This is meaningless : that the Me-410 shot down 12 US aircraft,has nothing to do with the question if the Me-210 was crap .
Says the person that brought up the Boston bomber...


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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by ljadw » 31 May 2022, 21:45

If the Hungarians could shot down American bombers in 1945,this proves that the claim that their aircraft were crap, is not correct .
There is no such thing as a crap aircraft and there is no such thing as a crap tank .

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Takao » 01 Jun 2022, 01:08

ljadw wrote:
31 May 2022, 21:45
If the Hungarians could shot down American bombers in 1945,this proves that the claim that their aircraft were crap, is not correct .
All it proves is that the Hungarians could shoot down some American bombers...Even the Royal Thai Air Force did that in 1945.
ljadw wrote:
31 May 2022, 21:45
There is no such thing as a crap aircraft and there is no such thing as a crap tank .
Never heard of the Bob Semple tank did you?

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Post by ljadw » 01 Jun 2022, 07:08

If crap Hungarian aircraft could shoot down in 1945 American aircraft, that would mean ...that these American aircraft were even more crap than the Hungarian ones .
If you say A, you must also say B .
There are countless reasons why aircraft A can shoot down aircraft B ,and the design of both is only one of them ,and it is not the most important .
Most of the Japanese kamikaze aircraft had no success, but it would totally wrong to say that this proves that these aircraft were crap .
Most of the Soviet tanks were lost to non combat causes, but this is not a proof that they were crap .
2/3 of the American aircraft that were lost in WW 2,were not lost in combat, but that is not a proof that they were crap .
That Horthy jr died in an air accident is also not a proof that the aircraft was crap .

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Peter89 » 01 Jun 2022, 11:26

I hope you both realize that you are discussing a nonsense, right
"Everything remained theory and hypothesis. On paper, in his plans, in his head, he juggled with Geschwaders and Divisions, while in reality there were really only makeshift squadrons at his disposal."

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Takao » 01 Jun 2022, 12:02

I only ever expect nonsense from ljadw, as I have never seen him be anything other than contrary on this and other forums.

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Peter89 » 01 Jun 2022, 12:15

Takao wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 12:02
I only ever expect nonsense from ljadw, as I have never seen him be anything other than contrary on this and other forums.

Other forums?
"Everything remained theory and hypothesis. On paper, in his plans, in his head, he juggled with Geschwaders and Divisions, while in reality there were really only makeshift squadrons at his disposal."

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by ljadw » 01 Jun 2022, 12:18

Takao wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 01:08
ljadw wrote:
31 May 2022, 21:45
Never heard of the Bob Semple tank did you?
I see that you did not read the article about the Bob Semple tank : if you had done ,you would have read that it was not impossible that the Bob Semple tank could have been efficient in combat .
This means that there is no reason to qualify the Bob Semple tank as crap .

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by ljadw » 01 Jun 2022, 12:27

Peter89 wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 11:26
I hope you both realize that you are discussing a nonsense, right
The nonsense is the claim ( inspired by jingoism ) that German tanks and aircraft were crap .
The nonsense is also the claim that winning or losing a battle, a war depends only on the weak and bad points of the used weapons,the old American'' qualitative '' myth .
The truth is that is was very simple to eliminate a T 34 or Tiger II or Sherman , but no intelligent person would say that this makes these tanks crap .
The truth is also that a Pz 2 could be as efficient as a Panther ,but this does not make the Panther crap .

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Takao » 01 Jun 2022, 12:29

ljadw wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 12:18
I see that you did not read the article about the Bob Semple tank : if you had done ,you would have read that it was not impossible that the Bob Semple tank could have been efficient in combat .
This means that there is no reason to qualify the Bob Semple tank as crap .
Oh, it is not impossible...It would have made a fine paperweight or farm tractor...But, not a tank. You can use both a paperweight and farm tractor in combat.

Oh, the Wiki article?
In the end, due to their impracticality, the tanks were disposed of by the Army.
Addendum: it is not impossible that the Bob Semple tank could have been made to fly...This does not mean it would have been a good warplane.
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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Takao » 01 Jun 2022, 12:45

Peter89 wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 12:15
Takao wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 12:02
I only ever expect nonsense from ljadw, as I have never seen him be anything other than contrary on this and other forums.

Other forums?
He is/was LJAd over on WW2F, but has not been on in some years. He was as contrary there as he is here and using the same nonsense to back up his ideas.

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by ljadw » 01 Jun 2022, 16:47

Takao wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 12:29
ljadw wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 12:18
I see that you did not read the article about the Bob Semple tank : if you had done ,you would have read that it was not impossible that the Bob Semple tank could have been efficient in combat .
This means that there is no reason to qualify the Bob Semple tank as crap .
Oh, it is not impossible...It would have made a fine paperweight or farm tractor...But, not a tank. You can use both a paperweight and farm tractor in combat.

Oh, the Wiki article?
In the end, due to their impracticality, the tanks were disposed of by the Army.
Addendum: it is not impossible that the Bob Semple tank could have been made to fly...This does not mean it would have been a good warplane.
The intention was to use the Bob Semple tank if NZ was invaded by Japan .As this did not happen, it was not used .
End of the Wiki article : ''It might have been at least somewhat effective in the event of an invasion .''
And, if it killed only one Japanese, or slowed the Japanese advance by 15 minutes, it was not crap .

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by Takao » 01 Jun 2022, 16:57

ljadw wrote:
01 Jun 2022, 16:47
The intention was to use the Bob Semple tank if NZ was invaded by Japan .As this did not happen, it was not used .
End of the Wiki article : ''It might have been at least somewhat effective in the event of an invasion .''
And, if it killed only one Japanese, or slowed the Japanese advance by 15 minutes, it was not crap .
The Semple tank might have been at least somewhat effective as a submarine...This does not make it a good submarine.

The Semple tank might have been at least somewhat effective as a rocketship...This does not make it a good rocketship.

Anything might be at least somewhat effective at being something else...This does not mean it is good at being something else.

You can kill a Japanese soldier with a rock...This does not make the rock a good tank.

Need I continue...You still have not proven the Semple tank was a good tank, not a crap one. Woulda, Coulda, but Didn't, does not make the Semple a good tank, it makes it a crap one. They woulda...They coulda...But, they didn't, because it was crap.

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Re: A Panzer 3 is all there needed to be

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Post by ljadw » 01 Jun 2022, 19:34

I have not to prove that the Semple tank was a'' good'' tank,because I never said that it was a ''good '' tank.You said that it was crap ,thus the onus is for you .
Besides : there is no such thing as a good tank, a better tank or a crap tank .
To give tanks good or bad points is a totally wrong practice .

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