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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by YC Chen » 20 Nov 2016 13:57

I checked the document again and found that I have misinterpreted part of it. The report only mentioned that six prototypes of "7.5cm two-part barrel gun"(七生的五两节式陆炮) were built by Hanyang Arsenal, and said that they can be moved by pack animals just like mounatin guns. It does not say that they were based on Krupp field gun - another part of the report is devoted to the Krupp field guns being built in Hanyang and I mixed them up.

So I think it is highly possible that this is one of the "7.5cm two-part barrel gun". However the information on it is still, like many other artillery pieces designed and made at Chinese national arsenals in 1910s and early 1920s, extremely scarce.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Meerkat » 16 Feb 2021 18:49

Hello! The Central Armed Forces Museum, Moscow. Captured guns from Khalkhin Gol 1939: japanese Type 38 and chinese Type 14 77mm.
Some photo and markings https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/6012c9bd ... 4b9643fd4b
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by airborne24 » 04 Jun 2022 02:40

I recently had a chance to visit the military museum in Bejing and took a bunch of photos while there. However, when I review the pictures found this strange-looking gun. The plate said the gun was a Modified 75mm Type 37 Howitzer but the carriage and gun shield look akin to a QF 6pdr.
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Yang » 27 Jan 2023 15:54

Sturm78 wrote:
15 Aug 2012 09:25
Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. According to photocaption Chinese guns.
Any idea ??

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Well,it was in Taku Forts,one of the forts on the south.
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According to the data,(14 shore guns in that fort.All Krupp guns.Two 24cm L/35,two 21cm L/35,one 21cm L/22,two 15cm L/40,two 15cm L/35,two 15cm L/26 and three 15cm L/19)(Another record which written by Theodor Ritter von Winterhalder said that two 24cm L/35,two 21cm L/35,two 15cm L/40,six unknow 15cm and two 12cm L/20 are in the fort)
So, it might be the 24cm K.L/35 C/80 Küsten.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Jan 2023 21:40

Thank you very much, Yang

After more than 10 years, I dind`t hope an answer to my question... :)

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Yang » 31 Jan 2023 13:45

Sturm78 wrote:
30 Jan 2023 21:40
Thank you very much, Yang

After more than 10 years, I dind`t hope an answer to my question... :)

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LOL!I just joined the forum. And then I saw this query.
As for me, I didn't expect to see your reply either :D

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Apr 2023 14:00

Hi all,

I need help with this artillery piece. 7.5cm Krupp M1904 ??

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by karlik » 10 Apr 2023 17:24

Sturm78 wrote:
10 Apr 2023 14:00
Hi all,
I need help with this artillery piece. 7.5cm Krupp M1904 ??
Sturm78
Hi!
Not japanese Type 41 mountain gun, or chinese copy (Type 10/Type 13/Type 14/Type 17)???

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Yang » 11 Apr 2023 04:13

Sturm78 wrote:
10 Apr 2023 14:00
Hi all,

I need help with this artillery piece. 7.5cm Krupp M1904 ??

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Type 13
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A gun imitated by Taiyuan Arsenal.And it should be the most widely equipped artillery in the shan hsi army.
In fact, the 18th Group Army has also obtained such artillery.
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Apr 2023 20:28

karlik wrote
Not japanese Type 41 mountain gun, or chinese copy (Type 10/Type 13/Type 14/Type 17)???
Thank you karlik. Do you know if the soldiers in my image are Chinese (as I thought) or Japanese ??
According to some informations the Type 41 Japanese gun was based on the German Krupp M1908 mountain gun....
Yang wrote
A gun imitated by Taiyuan Arsenal.And it should be the most widely equipped artillery in the shan hsi army.
In fact, the 18th Group Army has also obtained such artillery.
It seems that Taiyuan Arsenal manufactured in 1920-30s some artillery pieces of German origin and I suppose that 75mm Type 13 is one of them


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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by LineDoggie » 12 Apr 2023 01:27

airborne24 wrote:
04 Jun 2022 02:40
I recently had a chance to visit the military museum in Bejing and took a bunch of photos while there. However, when I review the pictures found this strange-looking gun. The plate said the gun was a Modified 75mm Type 37 Howitzer but the carriage and gun shield look akin to a QF 6pdr.
Tis a 57mm (British 6 pounder QF on mk 3 carriage) it's missing the armour plate on the carriage and the Muzzle brake
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Yang » 12 Apr 2023 04:25

Sturm78 wrote:
11 Apr 2023 20:28
karlik wrote
Not japanese Type 41 mountain gun, or chinese copy (Type 10/Type 13/Type 14/Type 17)???
Thank you karlik. Do you know if the soldiers in my image are Chinese (as I thought) or Japanese ??
According to some informations the Type 41 Japanese gun was based on the German Krupp M1908 mountain gun....
Yang wrote
A gun imitated by Taiyuan Arsenal.And it should be the most widely equipped artillery in the shan hsi army.
In fact, the 18th Group Army has also obtained such artillery.
It seems that Taiyuan Arsenal manufactured in 1920-30s some artillery pieces of German origin and I suppose that 75mm Type 13 is one of them


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It's not Type 13.The prototype of Type13 is based on Type41 or a simplified version of it.If you're talking about German origin artillery, you might be referring to the Type 18 field artillery.
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Or 150 mm howitzer, no name, only produced two samples.The only remaining one is preserved in the Arms Museum of Nanjing University of Science and Technology.
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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Apr 2023 20:30

Hi Yang

The Chinese Type 13 was based on the Japanese Type 41, which in turn was based on a German Krupp design....

On the other hand, Can somebody identify the model of these Chinese mortars ?
Sorry for the bad quality of the image

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Yang » 14 Apr 2023 03:07

Sturm78 wrote:
13 Apr 2023 20:30
Hi Yang

The Chinese Type 13 was based on the Japanese Type 41, which in turn was based on a German Krupp design....

On the other hand, Can somebody identify the model of these Chinese mortars ?
Sorry for the bad quality of the image

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Type 20?
Not very sure.
A mortar modeled after Mortier Brandt de 81mm Mle 27/31,but expand the caliber to 82 mm.It was the main artillery of China in the 1930s and 1940s.
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Shooting from different angles of the original image.
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Type 20 in the museum.

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Re: Need ID Chinese artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 15 Apr 2023 09:39

Yang wrote
Type 20?
Not very sure.
A mortar modeled after Mortier Brandt de 81mm Mle 27/31,but expand the caliber to 82 mm.It was the main artillery of China in the 1930s and 1940s.
Ummhhh... I am not sure. I have this image labeled as a Chinese Type 20 mortar and I can see some differencies.
One of the two can not be a Type 20....
Do you know if China manufactured any other model of 82mm mortar in 1920-1930-1940s?

Thank you for your addtional images

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