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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 08:27

ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 07:08
To say that it is very easy to fabricate photos using a computer is not the same as saying that the photos were created by photoshop .
The Ukrainians fabricated a photo of the wife of Zelensky wearing a uniform ,thus there is no reason at all to trust the photos of destroyed,captured equipment .And, even if the photos were genuine, they do not prove that the items were destroyed during the period in question .
And, if there is no problem with the photos, why are the Ukrainians hiding the fact that the photos used by Oryx had as source the Ukrainian propaganda services ?
Besides, it is even not needed to use a computer to edit,fabricate photos :83 ! years ago, Hitler ordered to edit a photo of the signature of the Ribbentrop-Molotow pact ,because the photo shower Stalin who was smoking ,and Hitler found this improper .
And, after the purges,the Kremlin ordered to edit photos of Stalin with people who had been executed .
You are in denial of the fact that it is not about pictures only. Many reporters have been there and seen the vehicles. There is loads of evidence. You may choose to believe without substance that the Russians suffered no losses but they did. You are in the habit of rejecting any pictures, videos or books you do not like because they do not confirm to your unsubstantiated strange personal opinions.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 22 Sep 2022, 14:05

Ukrainian propaganda has exponentially outperformed the Russian in the english-language internet. When I was following the war from the first day they were uploading clips from computer games and pretending that it was footage of Russian helicopters and aircraft being shot down. Reddit-youtube-twitter-facebook-etc., their efforts at shaping people's views towards what Ukrainian military intelligence wants them to believe are remarkable. It is evident from the speed and strategic approach that these propaganda operations have been planned a long time ago, likely years. In 2016 there were already 4 Ukrainian Psychological operations offices, based in 4 cities. This is a deadly serious matter that's beyond internet trolling and misinformation- it is a matter of influence to preserve the survival of a state.

A consideration is whether or not they received American help, like employing professional social media marketing specialists- who typically have skills in graphic design and know how to work social media towards their end goals. There are numerous Ukrainian propaganda accounts and personalities on social media now that are viral. They are effectively opinion leaders that control the thinking of millions. Oryx from what I've seen is not that aggressive compared to the others, they may be just 'useful idiots' that received a mixture of thousands of real and fraudulent photographs.


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 22 Sep 2022, 14:28

Aida1 wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 08:27
ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 07:08
To say that it is very easy to fabricate photos using a computer is not the same as saying that the photos were created by photoshop .
The Ukrainians fabricated a photo of the wife of Zelensky wearing a uniform ,thus there is no reason at all to trust the photos of destroyed,captured equipment .And, even if the photos were genuine, they do not prove that the items were destroyed during the period in question .
And, if there is no problem with the photos, why are the Ukrainians hiding the fact that the photos used by Oryx had as source the Ukrainian propaganda services ?
Besides, it is even not needed to use a computer to edit,fabricate photos :83 ! years ago, Hitler ordered to edit a photo of the signature of the Ribbentrop-Molotow pact ,because the photo shower Stalin who was smoking ,and Hitler found this improper .
And, after the purges,the Kremlin ordered to edit photos of Stalin with people who had been executed .
You are in denial of the fact that it is not about pictures only. Many reporters have been there and seen the vehicles. There is loads of evidence. You may choose to believe without substance that the Russians suffered no losses but they did. You are in the habit of rejecting any pictures, videos or books you do not like because they do not confirm to your unsubstantiated strange personal opinions.
Who are these many reporters ?
Photos of destroyed tanks do not indicate when these tanks were destroyed .
The question is not if the Russians suffered losses or not,but
a if the number of losses presented by the Ukrainian propaganda is correct
b if these losses occurred during the period claimed by the Ukrainians
c if the photos are genuine or doctored
d if these losses prove a Russian retreat
And the answer on the last question is : NO .Losses do not prove retreat or defeat .During their advance in the Summer of 1941 in Russia, the Germans suffered the loss of a lot of tanks .
Even if the photos are real,which can't be proved, they do not prove that the Russians are on the run .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 22 Sep 2022, 15:18

I think the loss ratio of vehicles in this war is somewhere within 2.5-1.5 to 1 in favor of the Ukrainians if their admitted losses are extrapolated to date with the same growth rate: 900 tanks, 2900 IFV, 1600 heavy artillery pieces.

Prior to the war they had 1400 heavy artillery pieces, 800 operational tanks. The 1400 number is confirmed by one of their Generals.

The key objective of the Russian army was winning the "counter-battery struggle", shooting up their assemblies, ammo dumps, depots, and batteries with artillery superiority and missile strikes. This depleted their stockpiles of Soviet ammunition and reduced their offensive capability to a comparably low level.

The recent offensive has indicated that besides using a lot of technicals (pickup trucks with weapons on top), they are more and more employing the polygot of Western vehicles, while in the spring-summer it was predominantly Soviet types. In the area of artillery, they claim that most of their ammunition is now Western, with Soviet models fading into the background.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 15:40

Cult Icon wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 14:05
Ukrainian propaganda has exponentially outperformed the Russian in the english-language internet. When I was following the war from the first day they were uploading clips from computer games and pretending that it was footage of Russian helicopters and aircraft being shot down. Reddit-youtube-twitter-facebook-etc., their efforts at shaping people's views towards what Ukrainian military intelligence wants them to believe are remarkable. It is evident from the speed and strategic approach that these propaganda operations have been planned a long time ago, likely years. In 2016 there were already 4 Ukrainian Psychological operations offices, based in 4 cities. This is a deadly serious matter that's beyond internet trolling and misinformation- it is a matter of influence to preserve the survival of a state.

A consideration is whether or not they received American help, like employing professional social media marketing specialists- who typically have skills in graphic design and know how to work social media towards their end goals. There are numerous Ukrainian propaganda accounts and personalities on social media now that are viral. They are effectively opinion leaders that control the thinking of millions. Oryx from what I've seen is not that aggressive compared to the others, they may be just 'useful idiots' that received a mixture of thousands of real and fraudulent photographs.
Given your huge prorussian bias and your copying of Russian propaganda, there are good reasons to takes this with a large grain of salt. I think anything that comes from the Ukraine and free western media is far more credible that whatever comes from your dear autocratic Russia which has a very loose relation with the truth. .
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 15:43

ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 14:28
Aida1 wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 08:27
ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 07:08
To say that it is very easy to fabricate photos using a computer is not the same as saying that the photos were created by photoshop .
The Ukrainians fabricated a photo of the wife of Zelensky wearing a uniform ,thus there is no reason at all to trust the photos of destroyed,captured equipment .And, even if the photos were genuine, they do not prove that the items were destroyed during the period in question .
And, if there is no problem with the photos, why are the Ukrainians hiding the fact that the photos used by Oryx had as source the Ukrainian propaganda services ?
Besides, it is even not needed to use a computer to edit,fabricate photos :83 ! years ago, Hitler ordered to edit a photo of the signature of the Ribbentrop-Molotow pact ,because the photo shower Stalin who was smoking ,and Hitler found this improper .
And, after the purges,the Kremlin ordered to edit photos of Stalin with people who had been executed .
You are in denial of the fact that it is not about pictures only. Many reporters have been there and seen the vehicles. There is loads of evidence. You may choose to believe without substance that the Russians suffered no losses but they did. You are in the habit of rejecting any pictures, videos or books you do not like because they do not confirm to your unsubstantiated strange personal opinions.
Who are these many reporters ?
Photos of destroyed tanks do not indicate when these tanks were destroyed .
The question is not if the Russians suffered losses or not,but
a if the number of losses presented by the Ukrainian propaganda is correct
b if these losses occurred during the period claimed by the Ukrainians
c if the photos are genuine or doctored
d if these losses prove a Russian retreat
And the answer on the last question is : NO .Losses do not prove retreat or defeat .During their advance in the Summer of 1941 in Russia, the Germans suffered the loss of a lot of tanks .
Even if the photos are real,which can't be proved, they do not prove that the Russians are on the run .
You are in denial of something the Russians have not even denied. You are actually saying that all media reports are fake. And your credibility here is very low given the many unsupported strange personal opinions you have been uttering here.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Hikari » 22 Sep 2022, 16:40

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Given your huge prorussian bias and your copying of Russian propaganda, there are good reasons to takes this with a large grain of salt. I think anything that comes from the Ukraine and free western media is far more credible that whatever comes from your dear autocratic Russia which has a very loose relation with the truth. .
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It all depends on whether you live in a pro-Russian environment or a Pro-Ukrainian environment. in China, we edited together all kinds of Russian propaganda broadcast by the official media since the Russian invasion, and the result was extremely comical.
I would be happy to translate their “Comedy” if I had the time, the result of which is the destruction of the Russian army in a constant "victory", "annihilation" and "release of goodwill".The Chinese media is probably the most faithful media in the world (except maybe North Korea?) to believe in Russian propaganda.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Hikari » 22 Sep 2022, 16:41

Aida1 wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 15:43
ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 14:28
Aida1 wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 08:27
ljadw wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 07:08
To say that it is very easy to fabricate photos using a computer is not the same as saying that the photos were created by photoshop .
The Ukrainians fabricated a photo of the wife of Zelensky wearing a uniform ,thus there is no reason at all to trust the photos of destroyed,captured equipment .And, even if the photos were genuine, they do not prove that the items were destroyed during the period in question .
And, if there is no problem with the photos, why are the Ukrainians hiding the fact that the photos used by Oryx had as source the Ukrainian propaganda services ?
Besides, it is even not needed to use a computer to edit,fabricate photos :83 ! years ago, Hitler ordered to edit a photo of the signature of the Ribbentrop-Molotow pact ,because the photo shower Stalin who was smoking ,and Hitler found this improper .
And, after the purges,the Kremlin ordered to edit photos of Stalin with people who had been executed .
You are in denial of the fact that it is not about pictures only. Many reporters have been there and seen the vehicles. There is loads of evidence. You may choose to believe without substance that the Russians suffered no losses but they did. You are in the habit of rejecting any pictures, videos or books you do not like because they do not confirm to your unsubstantiated strange personal opinions.
Who are these many reporters ?
Photos of destroyed tanks do not indicate when these tanks were destroyed .
The question is not if the Russians suffered losses or not,but
a if the number of losses presented by the Ukrainian propaganda is correct
b if these losses occurred during the period claimed by the Ukrainians
c if the photos are genuine or doctored
d if these losses prove a Russian retreat
And the answer on the last question is : NO .Losses do not prove retreat or defeat .During their advance in the Summer of 1941 in Russia, the Germans suffered the loss of a lot of tanks .
Even if the photos are real,which can't be proved, they do not prove that the Russians are on the run .
You are in denial of something the Russians have not even denied. You are actually saying that all media reports are fake. And your credibility here is very low given the many unsupported strange personal opinions you have been uttering here.
Typical skeptic, time to argue for there is a dragon in my garage.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Hikari » 22 Sep 2022, 16:50

Some people make strange statements about how because social media and public opinion are controlled by pro-Ukrainian people, so they are unjust. I just want to say that you are welcome to live in a pro-Russian environment. truly :thumbsup:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 22 Sep 2022, 17:38

Currently it is 700-600,000 Ukrainians vs circa 150,000 Russians/Separatists. Russian/Proxy troop strength peaked at around 200,000 in this war.

Pre-war literature theorized that only 200,000 out of 2 million Russian reservists were active reservists in the American sense. Besides the "300,000", there are also tens of thousands of volunteers collected over the past half year. It is unknown to me if they exceed 100,000.

Throughout this war, 1-2 Russian army combat battalions (up to 400 IFV mounted infantry) was sufficient to conduct positional warfare with 1 Ukrainian brigade (up to 2400-2100 infantrymen in 3 battalions). The material superiority of the Russians greatly reduced the effect of Ukrainian infantry superiority.

With most of Russia's prime units refitting in the interior now, it is likely that the rebuilding process will start producing fully manned 3- battalion brigades, in accordance to pre-war doctrine. This is unprecedented and it solves the fundamental problem from the start- The Russians had the fire support but lacked the infantry to seize the ground. Once combined arms and tank armies deploy in the Ukraine with full infantry components, they will be able to exploit the effect of fires and conduct more maneuver warfare.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 18:24

Cult Icon wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 17:38
Currently it is 700-600,000 Ukrainians vs circa 150,000 Russians/Separatists. Russian/Proxy troop strength peaked at around 200,000 in this war.

Pre-war literature theorized that only 200,000 out of 2 million Russian reservists were active reservists in the American sense. Besides the "300,000", there are also tens of thousands of volunteers collected over the past half year. It is unknown to me if they exceed 100,000.

Throughout this war, 1-2 Russian army combat battalions (up to 400 IFV mounted infantry) was sufficient to conduct positional warfare with 1 Ukrainian brigade (up to 2400-2100 infantrymen in 3 battalions). The material superiority of the Russians greatly reduced the effect of Ukrainian infantry superiority.

With most of Russia's prime units refitting in the interior now, it is likely that the rebuilding process will start producing fully manned 3- battalion brigades, in accordance to pre-war doctrine. This is unprecedented and it solves the fundamental problem from the start- The Russians had the fire support but lacked the infantry to seize the ground. Once combined arms and tank armies deploy in the Ukraine with full infantry components, they will be able to exploit the effect of fires and conduct more maneuver warfare.
Wishful thinking. The Ukraine now has the means to withstand any attempt at maneuver warfare. Anyway, Putin has given up his original objective. And with the Ukraine getting more and more western weapons, he will have a hard time keeping what he has.

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 21:34

The cold hard truth admirors of Russia do not want people to hear.
https://youtu.be/9XRjpzT_hI8

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 21:43

Just calling up 300 000 reservists will not help either.
https://youtu.be/kn2fhMJXSbM
https://youtu.be/w2JB7cWwqSg

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 21:55

Always nice to see russian equipment been taken out.
https://youtu.be/ctzIoXitkOM

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Post by Aida1 » 22 Sep 2022, 22:01

A brave female soldier.
https://youtu.be/IwovzB9Vhc4

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