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[Aida1]

It is not a question of believing, but the FACT that only the Russians can now the number of their losses .

...and given how economic Kremlin Gremlins are with truth it is a fact that the numbers Ruffians publicise are damned lies.

US media can NOT know the number of Russian WIA .

..and Ruffian media cannot know them since Orc leadership invariably feeds them lies.
However Western military sources can and do estimate them based on previous KIA/WIA ratios etc. the results still being more beliavable than Orc numbers.

Markus

Do you don't see that previous KIA/WIA ratios ,from western armies in WW2 ,EIGHTY years ago,can not be used to estimate the KIA/WIA ratios of today 's wars ?
Did one use the KIA/WIA ratios from the American Civil War ,which happened also EIGHTY years before WW2 ,to estimate the US or German losses in WW2 ?
Of course not .
The American Civil War was fought in a society that was totally different from the society of WW2 .
And WW2 was fought in a society that was totally different from the actual society . The lessons of WW2 are good for under the bus .
And : western media publish only what DC is feeding them .They are to lazy and to stupid to do it themselves and they have not the means to inform themselves about the situation .And, this is without their anti-Russian bias and racism .

Another show of your conspirationism at work. Intelligence services are far better able than you to estimate russian losses. You accept at face value russian numbers which shows you as very naive.

[MarkF617]

Ljadw you claim:

[The lessons of WW2 are good for under the bus .]

And yet every example you have used to counter the argument have been from WW2. Are these arguments also for under the bus?

Thanks

Mark.

[ljadw]

Ljadw you claim:

[The lessons of WW2 are good for under the bus .]

And yet every example you have used to counter the argument have been from WW2. Are these arguments also for under the bus?

Thanks

Mark.

Ww2 started 83 years ago : it is the past .The strategies, tactics and weapons from ww2 are also the past .Since 1945 the world has known dozens of wars,, but only 10 modern versions of WW2 . Most wars were and are guerilla wars who demand other weapons and an other thinking than WW 2 . The epoch of the conventional wars,children of WW2 , is over .US army is still studying the battles of WW2 ,who will not come back . And we have seen the results in Afghanistan and Vietnam of their convulsively holding to the past .Not only the US but all western countries refuse to accept the truth,because they live in a world were military can not kill civilians . While in the rest of the world,this is not so .The only way to defeat partisans, terrorists is to use more violence than they against the population .The Russians are terrorizing the population of the occupied parts of Ukraine ,because they know that this is
the only way to prevent a partisan uprising .
We live and fight in an other world .
I have countered the arguments from WW2 with examples of WW2 .

[Aida1]

Ljadw you claim:

[The lessons of WW2 are good for under the bus .]

And yet every example you have used to counter the argument have been from WW2. Are these arguments also for under the bus?

Thanks

Mark.

Ww2 started 83 years ago : it is the past .The strategies, tactics and weapons from ww2 are also the past .Since 1945 the world has known dozens of wars,, but only 10 modern versions of WW2 . Most wars were and are guerilla wars who demand other weapons and an other thinking than WW 2 . The epoch of the conventional wars,children of WW2 , is over .US army is still studying the battles of WW2 ,who will not come back . And we have seen the results in Afghanistan and Vietnam of their convulsively holding to the past .Not only the US but all western countries refuse to accept the truth,because they live in a world were military can not kill civilians . While in the rest of the world,this is not so .The only way to defeat partisans, terrorists is to use more violence than they against the population .The Russians are terrorizing the population of the occupied parts of Ukraine ,because they know that this is
the only way to prevent a partisan uprising .
We live and fight in an other world .
I have countered the arguments from WW2 with examples of WW2 .

Making stupid statements again. You do not know what the US army studies so you are bluffing again. Do some reading. And your opinions about how to deal with insurgencies do not shaow much insight either.

[MarkF617]

Ljadw,

Post 910 it is you who first used a WW2 example, you were not countering a WW2 situation.

Also again you accuse the West of racism despite earlier claiming racism doesn't really exist.

How can anyone take your arguments seriously when you constantly contradict yourself?

Thanks

Mark.

[Peter89]

Ljadw you claim:

[The lessons of WW2 are good for under the bus .]

And yet every example you have used to counter the argument have been from WW2. Are these arguments also for under the bus?

Thanks

Mark.

Ww2 started 83 years ago : it is the past .The strategies, tactics and weapons from ww2 are also the past .Since 1945 the world has known dozens of wars,, but only 10 modern versions of WW2 . Most wars were and are guerilla wars who demand other weapons and an other thinking than WW 2 . The epoch of the conventional wars,children of WW2 , is over .US army is still studying the battles of WW2 ,who will not come back . And we have seen the results in Afghanistan and Vietnam of their convulsively holding to the past .Not only the US but all western countries refuse to accept the truth,because they live in a world were military can not kill civilians . While in the rest of the world,this is not so .The only way to defeat partisans, terrorists is to use more violence than they against the population .The Russians are terrorizing the population of the occupied parts of Ukraine ,because they know that this is
the only way to prevent a partisan uprising .
We live and fight in an other world .
I have countered the arguments from WW2 with examples of WW2 .

This is a wonderful comment because the exact opposite is the revealing truth.

- The first world is dying out and ageing, most people are too old and/or fat to be soldiers, so the young generations are the most precious assets of the developed nations

- The global population grows by ~80 million each year, every year, that is more than all the human casualties for the whole WW2, thus: the populations can not be terrorized or decimated effectively. Prominent global strategies aim to destroy minds & souls of the masses, but not so much their bodies

- The nuclear war can not be won and all the global powers do have nuclear warmaking potential, so this is a global stalemate.


The war between Russia and Ukraine is an anomaly, an abomination, a thing that should have never happened. Terrorizing an ageing population will backlash; if old people lose everything important for them, they'll rather see the world burn because they will die in 10 years anyway. What old people cannot suffer is discomfort and they are afraid of social FOMO.

[MarkF617]

What is FOMO?

Thanks

Mark.

[peeved]

US media can NOT know the number of Russian WIA .

..and Ruffian media cannot know them since Orc leadership invariably feeds them lies.
However Western military sources can and do estimate them based on previous KIA/WIA ratios etc. the results still being more beliavable than Orc numbers.

Do you don't see that previous KIA/WIA ratios ,from western armies in WW2 ,EIGHTY years ago,can not be used to estimate the KIA/WIA ratios of today 's wars ?

Please submit proof that e.g. the CIA 1:3 ratio is from WW2 Western Armies?

Did one use the KIA/WIA ratios from the American Civil War ,which happened also EIGHTY years before WW2 ,to estimate the US or German losses in WW2 ?
Of course not .

One might have for an initial hypothesis until a better match was found. WW2 weaponry as a whole had increased lethality but OTOH improvements in medicine had an opposite effect.

The American Civil War was fought in a society that was totally different from the society of WW2 .
And WW2 was fought in a society that was totally different from the actual society .

How does the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community affect KIA/WIA ratios.

The lessons of WW2 are good for under the bus .

“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

And : western media publish only what DC is feeding them .

Please submit proof to that blanket statement.

They are to lazy and to stupid to do it themselves and they have not the means to inform themselves about the situation .

Please submit proof to that blanket statement.

And, this is without their anti-Russian bias and racism .

Since Russia is an imperialist-aggressive bandit state ruled by compulsively lying genocidal maniacs leading armed forces of evil with an overrepresentation (in comparison with civilised countries) of thieves, rapists and murderers anti-Russian equals pro-good in the framework of the current conflict.
Since Russians are generally considered so-called white people why do you equate an anti-Russian sentiment with racism?

A whole week our media were trying to scare us with the story that Putin would use nuclear weapons,but today John Kirby,spokesman of the NSC,has admitted that there are no signs that Putin is preparing to use nuclear weapons .

What do you mean by "our media"? Certainly e.g. the US media sources I follow did not engage in such scare tactics regarding Vlad Pukin's and other Kremlin killer ape's nuclear threats.

I know very well why Biden has launched this story : within three weeks there are midterm elections in the US and the polls are not very good for the Democrats .

Please submit proof that POTUS originated the alleged nuclear scare story.

This means that our media have lied ,they are not better than the Russian media .

So in your opinion good people who occasionally may or may not lie are not better than murderous rats' constantly lying lackeys ?

Markus

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[Tom Peters]

It is not a question of believing, but the FACT that only the Russians can now the number of their losses .
US media can NOT know the number of Russian WIA .

You are missing the point. Again. RU knows their own losses. UKR knows their own losses. No one should believe their public announcements on the subject. For example, the RU MOD claim of only 6000 KIA and 9000 WIA is ludicrous to being with. Total garbage. Right off the bat as typical conventional combat gives 1 KIA : 4 WIA.

The # of losses can be estimated through various mathematical models. Is there some variability on this ? Sure, but it can still be modeled. Furthermore, we can infer losses based off of the public actions of either actor. RU is recruiting from prisons. RU is massively expanding recruitment bonuses. RU just involuntarily mobilized 300000 new people. This is not the result of losing only 6000 KIA while claiming to have destroyed the UKR army.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

The force with as mission to attack can NEVER be the force with as mission to defend,because two different missions mean two different forces .

You make no sense at all. A unit in the field has to respond to real world events. A unit given attack orders can suddenly come under attack. That doesnt magically transform the unit in question.

Attackers tend to take more losses than the defenders, other factors being equal. This is accepted fact.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

US army manual is about wars where the US fought, and these wars are only a minority and can not be used as a proof : most of WW2 fighting was done in the east,between the Soviets and Germany and the US army manual has no data about the war in the east .

Sigh. So much pointless assumption your part. The models used by the army or QJM are based off of combat data from all available sources and battles, not just those fought by the US.

If you had bothered to look into this you would of known this. You didnt exert even the minimal degree of curiosity. Instead you made another stupid assertion not based in reality.

Why do you keep embarrassing yourself ?

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

Is saying the man who insists that we should believe the information from Oryx, which has as source the UKR MOD. :roll:
Now he will reply that the RU took photos of the tanks it lost and gave them to make anti-russian propaganda . :roll:

Says the man who can provide no proof that Oryx is the same as Ukraine. You have yet to make that link. Again.

Failure.On.Your.Part.

While you think the majority of the Oryx tank pictures are total fabrications (produced by NASA even) you cannot find a single one of the 1300+ to show us. Are you this incapable ? or just unwilling ?

Don't believe either the official RU or UKR MOD statements.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

Mostly my assessment from the videos I see, bits and pieces of information from Ukrainian doctors and soldiers, that Russia have an advantage in artillery, for some reasons.

Doesn't Ukraine have a general mobilization? Didn't they announce a mobilization of a million people? I don't think this is any way to judge casualties.

No doubt RU has the advantage in # of tubes. Probably ammo at this point, but not as clear as that was 6 months ago.

UKR has had general mobilization since day one, thus the advantage in # available for service. I doubt they can actually field the 700000 or so that I have seen claimed, simply due to a lack of heavy equipment.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

Just an interesting picture, Australian 'Bushmaster' vehicles, allegedly from the Kharkov region recently.

The attrition of modern warfare is awful, and the example show that no one is immune. Not sure why those are being carted about since they are burned out and cannot be repaired.

Mad Dog