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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 13 Oct 2022, 17:47

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 13 Oct 2022, 18:13

gebhk wrote:
11 Oct 2022, 10:29
Absolute rubbish, I'm afraid. There is always the choice of the type of action a force is ordered to undertake. It boils down to attacking, defending or retreating. Attacking is always more costly, which is why no one does it without stacking the odds in one's favour and unless there is a good chance of a significant payoff.
Depends on what one means by cost. Cost is not always in casualties. Attacks can be much less costly to the attacker than the defender if the quality of the operation is very good, and the troops/equipment/ammunition/unit are very good.

Of course, having high quality units is also costly (in training and investment) in a sense. Also having material superiority in terms of ammunition is costly in another sense. Having expensive weapons systems is also costly.

Perhaps is more rare that a low cost unit attacks and beats a high cost unit in every major respect.


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by peeved » 13 Oct 2022, 18:48

ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Since Russia is an imperialist-aggressive bandit state ruled by compulsively lying genocidal maniacs leading armed forces of evil with an overrepresentation (in comparison with civilised countries) of thieves, rapists and murderers anti-Russian equals pro-good in the framework of the current conflict.
Imperialist-aggressive is not the same as bandit .Imperial Germany and Britain were not bandits but were imperialist and aggressive.
That is anachronistic and irrelevant. Imperial German and British empire-building mostly took place over a century ago using methods compatible with the then current status of international law as against the disgusting conduct of current criminal Ruffians and their "special needs military operation".

Also if according to you WW2 lessons are obsolete, why do you constantly use even older ones to justify Vladdemort's and his cohorts' crimes?
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
As usual you are exaggerating : the Kremlin leaders are not genocidal maniacs
Then why has madman Putler at least since the 2nd Chechen War been engaged in genocidal activities. Granted all psychopaths are not maniacs but they do tend to have more manic symptoms than "normal people".
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
neither was the German Emperor ( an ally of Finland ) whose armies burned in 1914 several Belgian cities and murdered thousands of Belgian civilians .
And they did not differently in the East : see Kalisz .
There was a diference since in Belgium there appears to have been a systematic policy of reprisals etc. comparable to the British scorched earth and concentration camp use during the 2nd Boer War although the latter (earlier) was rather more brutal. The Kalisz case appears to be less due to GHQ policy and more through local German command's idiocy and troop mass hysteria.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
The armies of the Tsar were not better .
As one might guess they were worse e.g. on the Turkish front.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
No one said that their armies were armed forces of evil .
Given the atrocity propaganda of the day I wouldn't be surprised if worse nomikers were used.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
And, I like to see the proof that thieves,rapists and murderers are overrepresentated in the Russian army .
Since the Ruffians have from quite early on actively recruited cannon fodder from prisons their Orcpower can credibly be construed to consist of even more criminal elements than usual.

Additionally e.g. The situation of human rights in Ukraine in the context of the armed attack by the Russian Federation, 24 February to 15 May 2022 by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights shows the Orc armed forces of evil's propensity for rape, murder and other serious crimes.

BTW do finally provide proof to your statements:
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Please submit proof that e.g. the CIA 1:3 [KIA/WIA] ratio is from WW2 Western Armies?
ljadw wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 15:41
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
And : western media publish only what DC is feeding them .
Please submit proof to that blanket statement.
ljadw wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 15:41
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
They are to lazy and to stupid to do it themselves and they have not the means to inform themselves about the situation .
Please submit proof to that blanket statement.
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Since Russians are generally considered so-called white people why do you equate an anti-Russian sentiment with racism?
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Please submit proof that POTUS originated the alleged nuclear scare story.
peeved wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 10:23
ljadw wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 09:33
Saying that only the Russians are raping women is not correct .
Exactly who and where made such a statement?
peeved wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 09:17
ljadw wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 07:20
I will correct this : the centuries old tradition of MOST armies of raping,robbing and murdering
1. Please provide proof of MOST armies having a centuries old tradition of raping,robbing and murdering.
...
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
I also object to the use of the word of good .Good has no place in wartime .
That is only your personal opinion and the armed forces of evil's style of war.
I personally prefer a just war conducted by and large in accordance to the customs of war like the Armed Forces or Ukraine to an evil, criminal war of aggression with evil, imperialistic ambitions of nazification and genocide largely against the civilian populus, with extensive human rights violations and war crimes perpetrated by the Putinistan armed forces of evil and their evil henchmen.
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02
I find it very childish to talk about evil concerning war . War is not evil .

So according to you "Good has no place in wartime" and "War is not evil"... Not good nor evil... Is war neutral perhaps?
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02
It is natural and human.
Please submit proof to your claiming that war is natural and human especially in the context of the unnatural and inhuman conduct of Orc armed forces of evil.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
If the Russian armies are now evil, so were the Soviet armies in WW2 ,and at the end of the war Finland fought at the side of these evil forces.
Not by choice but under Orc coersion leading to extensive human and material losses.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by MarkF617 » 13 Oct 2022, 18:51

[41 Tanks, Armored Vehicles And Self-Propelled Howitzers On Just 1 Railways Military Echelon]

That's nice. I wonder how well trained the crews are? Shiny hardware is no use without well trained and motivated operators. So far Russia seems to have a shortage of these.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 13 Oct 2022, 18:58

MarkF617 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:51
[41 Tanks, Armored Vehicles And Self-Propelled Howitzers On Just 1 Railways Military Echelon]

That's nice. I wonder how well trained the crews are? Shiny hardware is no use without well trained and motivated operators. So far Russia seems to have a shortage of these.
And 3rd world Ukraine doesn't?

The Russians have an extreme shortage of infantry to support their armor. Little evidence that there is something wrong with their crews.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by peeved » 13 Oct 2022, 19:02

MarkF617 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:51
That's nice. I wonder how well trained the crews are? Shiny hardware is no use without well trained and motivated operators. So far Russia seems to have a shortage of these.
Probably Ukrainians too with all the vehicles and other equipment Ruffians have donated.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by MarkF617 » 13 Oct 2022, 19:07

Nothing wrong with their crews? Why have over 400 of these magnificent tank crews fled leaving their tanks for Ukraine to use against them? They fidn't even stop to blow them up. Their morale must be sky high. :lol:
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by peeved » 13 Oct 2022, 19:11

Cult Icon wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:58
MarkF617 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:51
[41 Tanks, Armored Vehicles And Self-Propelled Howitzers On Just 1 Railways Military Echelon]

That's nice. I wonder how well trained the crews are? Shiny hardware is no use without well trained and motivated operators. So far Russia seems to have a shortage of these.
Little evidence that there is something wrong with their crews.
Especially after ammunition explosion vaporises them. TMTM

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Peter89 » 13 Oct 2022, 19:47

Ehhh, guys... minor battlefield victories do not and can not overshadow the large strategic picture. This is most likely going to be a stalemate, a long and bloody affair with no end to see. Russia can deploy wave after wave of military personnel in an attempt to take more and more territories from Ukraine.

Russia's core territories are not hit, and the economic problems of Russia will not jeopardize the military budget or the country's survival; especially now that part of the third world will not side with the West in this matter, so Russia is not isolated in global trade and technology transfer.

Part of the population might be discontent, but most of the people in Russia has been either raised up in an outdated imperialist worldview and/or they've experienced the time before Putin, which was really a disorganized downfall, and the time under Putin, which was arguably a rise in almost every sense.

If Putin is killed these days, it is very much questionable whether his place would be taken by a guy like Navalnij, or by an even more radical general.

This is so sad to see. I never really understood how could idiot wars like the 30 years war or WW1 go on for years.
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 13 Oct 2022, 21:23

It is evident that throughout this war, the Russians are giving away captured Ukrainian T-64s to the Separatists.

Here are some being loaded onto an aircraft:


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 13 Oct 2022, 21:45

peeved wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:48
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Since Russia is an imperialist-aggressive bandit state ruled by compulsively lying genocidal maniacs leading armed forces of evil with an overrepresentation (in comparison with civilised countries) of thieves, rapists and murderers anti-Russian equals pro-good in the framework of the current conflict.
Imperialist-aggressive is not the same as bandit .Imperial Germany and Britain were not bandits but were imperialist and aggressive.
That is anachronistic and irrelevant. Imperial German and British empire-building mostly took place over a century ago using methods compatible with the then current status of international law as against the disgusting conduct of current criminal Ruffians and their "special needs military operation".

Also if according to you WW2 lessons are obsolete, why do you constantly use even older ones to justify Vladdemort's and his cohorts' crimes?
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
As usual you are exaggerating : the Kremlin leaders are not genocidal maniacs
Then why has madman Putler at least since the 2nd Chechen War been engaged in genocidal activities. Granted all psychopaths are not maniacs but they do tend to have more manic symptoms than "normal people".
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
neither was the German Emperor ( an ally of Finland ) whose armies burned in 1914 several Belgian cities and murdered thousands of Belgian civilians .
And they did not differently in the East : see Kalisz .
There was a diference since in Belgium there appears to have been a systematic policy of reprisals etc. comparable to the British scorched earth and concentration camp use during the 2nd Boer War although the latter (earlier) was rather more brutal. The Kalisz case appears to be less due to GHQ policy and more through local German command's idiocy and troop mass hysteria.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
The armies of the Tsar were not better .
As one might guess they were worse e.g. on the Turkish front.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
No one said that their armies were armed forces of evil .
Given the atrocity propaganda of the day I wouldn't be surprised if worse nomikers were used.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
And, I like to see the proof that thieves,rapists and murderers are overrepresentated in the Russian army .
Since the Ruffians have from quite early on actively recruited cannon fodder from prisons their Orcpower can credibly be construed to consist of even more criminal elements than usual.

Additionally e.g. The situation of human rights in Ukraine in the context of the armed attack by the Russian Federation, 24 February to 15 May 2022 by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights shows the Orc armed forces of evil's propensity for rape, murder and other serious crimes.

BTW do finally provide proof to your statements:
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Please submit proof that e.g. the CIA 1:3 [KIA/WIA] ratio is from WW2 Western Armies?
ljadw wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 15:41
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
And : western media publish only what DC is feeding them .
Please submit proof to that blanket statement.
ljadw wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 15:41
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
They are to lazy and to stupid to do it themselves and they have not the means to inform themselves about the situation .
Please submit proof to that blanket statement.
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Since Russians are generally considered so-called white people why do you equate an anti-Russian sentiment with racism?
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Please submit proof that POTUS originated the alleged nuclear scare story.
peeved wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 10:23
ljadw wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 09:33
Saying that only the Russians are raping women is not correct .
Exactly who and where made such a statement?
peeved wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 09:17
ljadw wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 07:20
I will correct this : the centuries old tradition of MOST armies of raping,robbing and murdering
1. Please provide proof of MOST armies having a centuries old tradition of raping,robbing and murdering.
...
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
I also object to the use of the word of good .Good has no place in wartime .
That is only your personal opinion and the armed forces of evil's style of war.
I personally prefer a just war conducted by and large in accordance to the customs of war like the Armed Forces or Ukraine to an evil, criminal war of aggression with evil, imperialistic ambitions of nazification and genocide largely against the civilian populus, with extensive human rights violations and war crimes perpetrated by the Putinistan armed forces of evil and their evil henchmen.
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02
I find it very childish to talk about evil concerning war . War is not evil .

So according to you "Good has no place in wartime" and "War is not evil"... Not good nor evil... Is war neutral perhaps?
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02
It is natural and human.
Please submit proof to your claiming that war is natural and human especially in the context of the unnatural and inhuman conduct of Orc armed forces of evil.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
If the Russian armies are now evil, so were the Soviet armies in WW2 ,and at the end of the war Finland fought at the side of these evil forces.
Not by choice but under Orc coersion leading to extensive human and material losses.

Markus
Where did I justify what Putin did ?
Talking about a genocide in Ukraine is an insult to the victims of the real genocides :Holocaust, Armenia, Rwanda, Biafra ...
Less Ukrainian civilians have been murdered in 8 months of fighting than in a short time in Rwanda . And were the Killing Fields not a genocide or the Rape of Nanking (1937 )?
Why should I believe the High Commissioner of Human Rights ,who got his information from the Ukrainian propaganda service ? Or do you say that the Russians told him how many civilians they killed ?Besides :Human Rights is an artificial notion, invented by the wokes in the US .
The proof that war is natural and human is that war exists since mankind exists . See Kain and Abel . Homo homini lupus .
I am astonished that you don't know that most armies have a tradition of raping, looting and murdering .
Do you really don't know what happened when the Crusaders conquered Jeruzalem , the Muslims Byzantium,what happened during the war of 100 years in France, what happened during Il Sacco di Roma, during the Spanish and Austrian Succession Wars,during the war of 80 years, when Napoleon's armies looted Europe ,what happened in Nanking,........the Slave Trade...? What happened when Caesar conquered Gallia, what happened when the Incas and Mayas increased their territories ,you don't know how the Jews became slaves in Egypt ?
War is neutral :Clausewitz said that war was the continuation of politics by other means, he was wrong : politics are the continuation of war by other means .
For Biden : I have given two (liberal anti-Russian proofs ) that Biden was talking about the danger of a Russian nuclear attack in Ukraine during an electoral meeting .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 13 Oct 2022, 21:55

The Ukrainian government said that (mostly in the captured territories ) between 7000 and 29125 civilians had died ( NOT :murdered )
This proves that the Ukrainian government has no reliable figures .
UNO said : 6221 dead civilians. This proves that the (anti Russian ) UN do not believe the figures of the Ukrainian government .
How many Kurds were killed by the Iraqi government, with the consent of DC ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 13 Oct 2022, 22:07

Peter89 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 19:47
Ehhh, guys... minor battlefield victories do not and can not overshadow the large strategic picture. This is most likely going to be a stalemate, a long and bloody affair with no end to see. Russia can deploy wave after wave of military personnel in an attempt to take more and more territories from Ukraine.
I want to read a quality and professional Russian analysis on what is actually going on with Russian military politics, not the endless dumb, made-up propaganda nonsense rotating throughout our media.

It looks to me that the Russian leadership is slowly negotiating the slow as molasses war escalation machine, like in the 2nd Chechen war. Military common sense would require partial mobilization months before Feb 24th, not half a year later.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 07:55

Cult Icon wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:58
MarkF617 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:51
[41 Tanks, Armored Vehicles And Self-Propelled Howitzers On Just 1 Railways Military Echelon]

That's nice. I wonder how well trained the crews are? Shiny hardware is no use without well trained and motivated operators. So far Russia seems to have a shortage of these.
And 3rd world Ukraine doesn't?

The Russians have an extreme shortage of infantry to support their armor. Little evidence that there is something wrong with their crews.
Now you want us to pity the agressor, it seems. The way you describe the Ukraine is proof of how frustrated you are about the Ukraine beating your venerated Russian army.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 07:58

Peter89 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 19:47
Ehhh, guys... minor battlefield victories do not and can not overshadow the large strategic picture. This is most likely going to be a stalemate, a long and bloody affair with no end to see. Russia can deploy wave after wave of military personnel in an attempt to take more and more territories from Ukraine.

Russia's core territories are not hit, and the economic problems of Russia will not jeopardize the military budget or the country's survival; especially now that part of the third world will not side with the West in this matter, so Russia is not isolated in global trade and technology transfer.

Part of the population might be discontent, but most of the people in Russia has been either raised up in an outdated imperialist worldview and/or they've experienced the time before Putin, which was really a disorganized downfall, and the time under Putin, which was arguably a rise in almost every sense.

If Putin is killed these days, it is very much questionable whether his place would be taken by a guy like Navalnij, or by an even more radical general.

This is so sad to see. I never really understood how could idiot wars like the 30 years war or WW1 go on for years.
Wishful thinking induced by a certain aversion against the Ukraine. The west is determined to give the Ukraine all the weapons it needs to keep killing Russians. Russia committed an illegal invasion and will be severely punished for it.

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