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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 08:00

Cult Icon wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 22:07
Peter89 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 19:47
Ehhh, guys... minor battlefield victories do not and can not overshadow the large strategic picture. This is most likely going to be a stalemate, a long and bloody affair with no end to see. Russia can deploy wave after wave of military personnel in an attempt to take more and more territories from Ukraine.
I want to read a quality and professional Russian analysis on what is actually going on with Russian military politics, not the endless dumb, made-up propaganda nonsense rotating throughout our media.

It looks to me that the Russian leadership is slowly negotiating the slow as molasses war escalation machine, like in the 2nd Chechen war. Military common sense would require partial mobilization months before Feb 24th, not half a year later.
Just shows your blind following of Putin and you are as usual disregarding anything that is stated in free western media and instead rely on Russian propaganda. Says all about you.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 08:03

ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 21:45
peeved wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:48
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Since Russia is an imperialist-aggressive bandit state ruled by compulsively lying genocidal maniacs leading armed forces of evil with an overrepresentation (in comparison with civilised countries) of thieves, rapists and murderers anti-Russian equals pro-good in the framework of the current conflict.
Imperialist-aggressive is not the same as bandit .Imperial Germany and Britain were not bandits but were imperialist and aggressive.
That is anachronistic and irrelevant. Imperial German and British empire-building mostly took place over a century ago using methods compatible with the then current status of international law as against the disgusting conduct of current criminal Ruffians and their "special needs military operation".

Also if according to you WW2 lessons are obsolete, why do you constantly use even older ones to justify Vladdemort's and his cohorts' crimes?
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
As usual you are exaggerating : the Kremlin leaders are not genocidal maniacs
Then why has madman Putler at least since the 2nd Chechen War been engaged in genocidal activities. Granted all psychopaths are not maniacs but they do tend to have more manic symptoms than "normal people".
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
neither was the German Emperor ( an ally of Finland ) whose armies burned in 1914 several Belgian cities and murdered thousands of Belgian civilians .
And they did not differently in the East : see Kalisz .
There was a diference since in Belgium there appears to have been a systematic policy of reprisals etc. comparable to the British scorched earth and concentration camp use during the 2nd Boer War although the latter (earlier) was rather more brutal. The Kalisz case appears to be less due to GHQ policy and more through local German command's idiocy and troop mass hysteria.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
The armies of the Tsar were not better .
As one might guess they were worse e.g. on the Turkish front.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
No one said that their armies were armed forces of evil .
Given the atrocity propaganda of the day I wouldn't be surprised if worse nomikers were used.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
And, I like to see the proof that thieves,rapists and murderers are overrepresentated in the Russian army .
Since the Ruffians have from quite early on actively recruited cannon fodder from prisons their Orcpower can credibly be construed to consist of even more criminal elements than usual.

Additionally e.g. The situation of human rights in Ukraine in the context of the armed attack by the Russian Federation, 24 February to 15 May 2022 by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights shows the Orc armed forces of evil's propensity for rape, murder and other serious crimes.

BTW do finally provide proof to your statements:
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Please submit proof that e.g. the CIA 1:3 [KIA/WIA] ratio is from WW2 Western Armies?
ljadw wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 15:41
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
And : western media publish only what DC is feeding them .
Please submit proof to that blanket statement.
ljadw wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 15:41
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
They are to lazy and to stupid to do it themselves and they have not the means to inform themselves about the situation .
Please submit proof to that blanket statement.
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Since Russians are generally considered so-called white people why do you equate an anti-Russian sentiment with racism?
peeved wrote:
12 Oct 2022, 22:54
Please submit proof that POTUS originated the alleged nuclear scare story.
peeved wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 10:23
ljadw wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 09:33
Saying that only the Russians are raping women is not correct .
Exactly who and where made such a statement?
peeved wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 09:17
ljadw wrote:
03 Oct 2022, 07:20
I will correct this : the centuries old tradition of MOST armies of raping,robbing and murdering
1. Please provide proof of MOST armies having a centuries old tradition of raping,robbing and murdering.
...
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
I also object to the use of the word of good .Good has no place in wartime .
That is only your personal opinion and the armed forces of evil's style of war.
I personally prefer a just war conducted by and large in accordance to the customs of war like the Armed Forces or Ukraine to an evil, criminal war of aggression with evil, imperialistic ambitions of nazification and genocide largely against the civilian populus, with extensive human rights violations and war crimes perpetrated by the Putinistan armed forces of evil and their evil henchmen.
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02
I find it very childish to talk about evil concerning war . War is not evil .

So according to you "Good has no place in wartime" and "War is not evil"... Not good nor evil... Is war neutral perhaps?
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02
It is natural and human.
Please submit proof to your claiming that war is natural and human especially in the context of the unnatural and inhuman conduct of Orc armed forces of evil.
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 09:27
If the Russian armies are now evil, so were the Soviet armies in WW2 ,and at the end of the war Finland fought at the side of these evil forces.
Not by choice but under Orc coersion leading to extensive human and material losses.

Markus
Where did I justify what Putin did ?
Talking about a genocide in Ukraine is an insult to the victims of the real genocides :Holocaust, Armenia, Rwanda, Biafra ...
Less Ukrainian civilians have been murdered in 8 months of fighting than in a short time in Rwanda . And were the Killing Fields not a genocide or the Rape of Nanking (1937 )?
Why should I believe the High Commissioner of Human Rights ,who got his information from the Ukrainian propaganda service ? Or do you say that the Russians told him how many civilians they killed ?Besides :Human Rights is an artificial notion, invented by the wokes in the US .
The proof that war is natural and human is that war exists since mankind exists . See Kain and Abel . Homo homini lupus .
I am astonished that you don't know that most armies have a tradition of raping, looting and murdering .
Do you really don't know what happened when the Crusaders conquered Jeruzalem , the Muslims Byzantium,what happened during the war of 100 years in France, what happened during Il Sacco di Roma, during the Spanish and Austrian Succession Wars,during the war of 80 years, when Napoleon's armies looted Europe ,what happened in Nanking,........the Slave Trade...? What happened when Caesar conquered Gallia, what happened when the Incas and Mayas increased their territories ,you don't know how the Jews became slaves in Egypt ?
War is neutral :Clausewitz said that war was the continuation of politics by other means, he was wrong : politics are the continuation of war by other means .
For Biden : I have given two (liberal anti-Russian proofs ) that Biden was talking about the danger of a Russian nuclear attack in Ukraine during an electoral meeting .
As usual throwing out a lot of generalities to justify the acts of Putin. And it is putin who threatened nuclear war. You are hiding that.


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 08:05

ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 21:55
The Ukrainian government said that (mostly in the captured territories ) between 7000 and 29125 civilians had died ( NOT :murdered )
This proves that the Ukrainian government has no reliable figures .
UNO said : 6221 dead civilians. This proves that the (anti Russian ) UN do not believe the figures of the Ukrainian government .
How many Kurds were killed by the Iraqi government, with the consent of DC ?
Nonsense as usual. And showcases your hatred of the US again.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by johnwilliamhunter » 14 Oct 2022, 08:07

Tom Peters wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 04:16
The attrition of modern warfare is awful, and the example show that no one is immune. Not sure why those are being carted about since they are burned out and cannot be repaired.

Mad Dog
Guessing they are just moving them out of the way, or else maybe someone wants to inspect damage for design improvements.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Peter89 » 14 Oct 2022, 08:18

Cult Icon wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 22:07
Peter89 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 19:47
Ehhh, guys... minor battlefield victories do not and can not overshadow the large strategic picture. This is most likely going to be a stalemate, a long and bloody affair with no end to see. Russia can deploy wave after wave of military personnel in an attempt to take more and more territories from Ukraine.
I want to read a quality and professional Russian analysis on what is actually going on with Russian military politics, not the endless dumb, made-up propaganda nonsense rotating throughout our media.

It looks to me that the Russian leadership is slowly negotiating the slow as molasses war escalation machine, like in the 2nd Chechen war. Military common sense would require partial mobilization months before Feb 24th, not half a year later.
I think experts on Russia doesn't necessarily have to be Russian. Of course, it would be really nice to see such an analysis, but I believe the "experts" are only narrators and talking about the events and the effects, and have no clue about the decision making either. What we know for sure is that Russian power structure relies heavily on the military and the secret services, who want this war. Some even more so than Putin. The stakeholders in economy are of secondary importance, and the quasi middle-class masses (the most hit group by the effects of the war) do not have proper political representation.
"Everything remained theory and hypothesis. On paper, in his plans, in his head, he juggled with Geschwaders and Divisions, while in reality there were really only makeshift squadrons at his disposal."

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by peeved » 14 Oct 2022, 08:21

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:07
Tom Peters wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 04:16
The attrition of modern warfare is awful, and the example show that no one is immune. Not sure why those are being carted about since they are burned out and cannot be repaired.
Guessing they are just moving them out of the way, or else maybe someone wants to inspect damage for design improvements.
Destroyed vehicles do contain a lot of high grade steel and other recyclable materials which can be reused especially since Ukrainians have the recovery equipment necessary.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 14 Oct 2022, 08:28

peeved wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 18:48

Since Russia is an imperialist-aggressive bandit state ruled by compulsively lying genocidal maniacs leading armed forces of evil with an overrepresentation (in comparison with civilised countries) of thieves, rapists and murderers anti-Russian equals pro-good in the framework of the current conflict.

There was a diference since in Belgium there appears to have been a systematic policy of reprisals etc. comparable to the British scorched earth and concentration camp use during the 2nd Boer War although the latter (earlier) was rather more brutal. The Kalisz case appears to be less due to GHQ policy and more through local German command's idiocy and troop mass hysteria.

Since the Ruffians have from quite early on actively recruited cannon fodder from prisons their Orcpower can credibly be construed to consist of even more criminal elements than usual.


Since Russians are generally considered so-called white people why do you equate an anti-Russian sentiment with racism?[/quote]

I personally prefer a just war conducted by and large in accordance to the customs of war like the Armed Forces or Ukraine to an evil, criminal war of aggression with evil, imperialistic ambitions of nazification and genocide largely against the civilian populus, with extensive human rights violations and war crimes perpetrated by the Putinistan armed forces of evil and their evil henchmen.
ljadw wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 11:02


Markus
1 All countries have a civilisation , thus all countries are civilised
2 There were no reprisals in Belgium :reprisals are answers on attacks by civilians, but there were no franc-tireurs in Belgium in 1914
3 What is usual ?
4 Racism has nothing to do with races which do not exist
5 Give proofs that the Russians want to nazificate Ukraine and give a definition of what is nazification
6 Just war ?? A just war is the war of the winner, an unjust war the war of the loser .
Finland started a war against the USSR in June 1941 : just or unjust war ? It started a war against Germany : just or unjust war ?
Serbia started a war against the Ottoman Empire in 1913 : just or unjust ? Bulgaria started a war against the Ottoman Empire followed by a war against Serbia : just or unjust ?The Ottoman Empire started a war against Russia in 1914 : just or unjust ?and against Germany in 1945 .
Italy declared war on France and Britain in 1940 and on Germany in 1943, on the Ottoman Empire in 1913 and on Austria in 1915 and Germany only in 1916 .Which of these wars are just or unjust ?
And were the two US wars against Iraq just or unjust and what about the Iraqi wars against Iran and Kuwait ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 14 Oct 2022, 08:40

Aida1 wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:05
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 21:55
The Ukrainian government said that (mostly in the captured territories ) between 7000 and 29125 civilians had died ( NOT :murdered )
This proves that the Ukrainian government has no reliable figures .
UNO said : 6221 dead civilians. This proves that the (anti Russian ) UN do not believe the figures of the Ukrainian government .
How many Kurds were killed by the Iraqi government, with the consent of DC ?
Nonsense as usual. And showcases your hatred of the US again.
At the end of the First Iraqi-US war, the Kurds revolted at the instigation of the CIA. When there was a danger that this revolt could result in an independent Kurdish state,Old Bush ,at the instigation f his NSC, Scowcroft, used ,for once, his brains ,and ordered his troops to remain where they were while Saddam crushed the revolt,using the methods one could expect from Saddam .
While it was a good decision from Bush ,many more Kurds were killed by Saddam,who used poison gas,than are killed Ukrainians by the Russians . And it only proves the hypocrisy of DC .
And I am delighted that you say that the figures from the Ukrainians are nonsense .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 09:51

ljadw wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:40
Aida1 wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:05
ljadw wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 21:55
The Ukrainian government said that (mostly in the captured territories ) between 7000 and 29125 civilians had died ( NOT :murdered )
This proves that the Ukrainian government has no reliable figures .
UNO said : 6221 dead civilians. This proves that the (anti Russian ) UN do not believe the figures of the Ukrainian government .
How many Kurds were killed by the Iraqi government, with the consent of DC ?
Nonsense as usual. And showcases your hatred of the US again.
At the end of the First Iraqi-US war, the Kurds revolted at the instigation of the CIA. When there was a danger that this revolt could result in an independent Kurdish state,Old Bush ,at the instigation f his NSC, Scowcroft, used ,for once, his brains ,and ordered his troops to remain where they were while Saddam crushed the revolt,using the methods one could expect from Saddam .
While it was a good decision from Bush ,many more Kurds were killed by Saddam,who used poison gas,than are killed Ukrainians by the Russians . And it only proves the hypocrisy of DC .
And I am delighted that you say that the figures from the Ukrainians are nonsense .
I did not state that Ukraine figures are nonsense. You write nonsense. Interesting that you accept any figures that do not come from the Ukraine.
You are also falsifying history again. The US certainly openly incited the iraqi people and the military to overthrow Saddam but that did never imply the US would intervene in the fighting itself by invading Iraq. You obviously 'forgot' :lol: :lol: to mention the no fly zone that was introduced over northern Iraq to protect the curds from Saddam. The real mistake that was made was not completely destroying Sadams republican guard during the gulf war. That could have led to Saddam being toppled when the uprising started.

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Iskander SP ballistic missiles on rail and firing

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Cult Icon wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 10:58


Iskander SP ballistic missiles on rail and firing
Used to commit warcrimes.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gooner1 » 14 Oct 2022, 12:54

Peter89 wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:18
What we know for sure is that Russian power structure relies heavily on the military and the secret services, who want this war. Some even more so than Putin.
Some in the security services and the military wanted this war more than Putin? I'd like to see the reasoning behind that.

The Russian power structure is one mans word is the law. That's how these things work.

There were heaps of arrests of the FSB early in the conflict so I doubt there is unity amongst the security services. I don't think the senior officers in what was called "the worlds second army" are particularly enthused at seeing themselves getting trashed by the Ukrainians.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by gebhk » 14 Oct 2022, 13:31

Hi Cult Icon
Depends on what one means by cost. Cost is not always in casualties. Attacks can be much less costly to the attacker than the defender if the quality of the operation is very good, and the troops/equipment/ammunition/unit are very good.
All of that is true and by cost I mean all of the above. However it does not contradict the statement that attack is as always as makes no difference costlier than defence. No one is saying that the defending side will always sustain lower casualties etc. That would be an obvious nonsense as history proves time and time again. What it does mean, however, is that if Force A comes into contact with enemy Force B, if it chooses to defend it will sustain less cost than if it chooses to attack. Put another way, defence is stronger than attack.

So why do military forces ever attack? On a strategic level it is because you cannot win a conflict by defending. On a tactical level it is because you expect a big payoff - which might be gaining essential terrain, degrading the enemy's ability to fight by attrition or causing the enemy greater casualties either simply by forcing him to retreat or by forcing him into the posiiton where he has to attack you.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 14 Oct 2022, 13:34

Peter89 wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:18

I think experts on Russia doesn't necessarily have to be Russian. Of course, it would be really nice to see such an analysis, but I believe the "experts" are only narrators and talking about the events and the effects, and have no clue about the decision making either. What we know for sure is that Russian power structure relies heavily on the military and the secret services, who want this war. Some even more so than Putin. The stakeholders in economy are of secondary importance, and the quasi middle-class masses (the most hit group by the effects of the war) do not have proper political representation.
They should be Russian, as experts on how US politics work should live there, have domestic political experience and education, and not be European, Asian or African. Countless things will be picked up just as a US resident, same as Russian.

links to these views?

Frankly that doesn't sound much different than the US with Iraq and Afghanistan, and other foreign adventures.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 14 Oct 2022, 14:14

Cult Icon wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 13:34
Peter89 wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 08:18

I think experts on Russia doesn't necessarily have to be Russian. Of course, it would be really nice to see such an analysis, but I believe the "experts" are only narrators and talking about the events and the effects, and have no clue about the decision making either. What we know for sure is that Russian power structure relies heavily on the military and the secret services, who want this war. Some even more so than Putin. The stakeholders in economy are of secondary importance, and the quasi middle-class masses (the most hit group by the effects of the war) do not have proper political representation.
They should be Russian, as experts on how US politics work should live there, have domestic political experience and education, and not be European, Asian or African. Countless things will be picked up just as a US resident, same as Russian.

links to these views?

Frankly that doesn't sound much different than the US with Iraq and Afghanistan, and other foreign adventures.
There are many experts on Russia that are not russian. You want to hear only putin friendly ones.

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