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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 28 Oct 2022 17:01

peeved wrote:
28 Oct 2022 06:49
Cult Icon wrote:
28 Oct 2022 00:01
-Russians create a two-tier system (regular and reservist) with new reservist units created on the model of the 3rd and the currently developing 4th Army Corps.
Wasn't the model of the Orcs' original 3rd Army Corps based on fast abandonment of equipment and even faster running when faced with Ukrainian troops?

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Comrade Markus ! You are of course referring to the gracious RU lend-lease program. After all, all RU tanks want to be UKR ones.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 28 Oct 2022 17:04

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28 Oct 2022 09:48

The "regulars" are already burning through T-62s. What will the reservists use? What about the air force? They still won't venture far into Ukrainian airspace and are proven to be using Soviet era SAMs and anti-ship missiles in ground attack missions. Does Vlad just have all this stuff stashed somewhere waiting for the opportunity to deploy it? You can't manufacture high-tech weapons in rapid fashion.
Orxy is showing more and more T-62 being destroyed and captured. It would be interesting to graph the loss rates of the 62/72/80/90 series to see if there is a trend.

Well, Vlad does have a stash of T-55 waiting to be used.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Tom Peters » 28 Oct 2022 17:07

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28 Oct 2022 12:35

Possible Order of battle of 3rd Army Corps. The majority of personnel were volunteers (young and middle aged) and volunteer reservists from Russia. It is not 'BTG' but possibly an "O" division. Elements arrived at the end of August and it has been deployed defensively since then. Equipped with heavy SP artillery, T-80, T-90, Pantsir, S-400, etc.
As in "formerly equipped", having donated much of their gear to the UKR. Generous !
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as of 10/28 Wagner PMC has expanded beyond the collection of motorized rifle regiments detected in August. Recruitment ads for this PMC went viral recently.
I saw those adds too ! The ones where they recruit rapists, murderers and even a cannibal from prisons ! Classy !

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 28 Oct 2022 17:23

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28 Oct 2022 16:58
In time the frontline will become similar to that held by their opponent- populated with the people's army.
One of the armies being highly motivated and the other one, er, not.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 28 Oct 2022 17:35

Another 500 precision guided artillery rounds on their way from the USA this week


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Aida1 » 28 Oct 2022 18:10

Gooner1 wrote:
28 Oct 2022 17:23
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28 Oct 2022 16:58
In time the frontline will become similar to that held by their opponent- populated with the people's army.
One of the armies being highly motivated and the other one, er, not.
And very welltrained and armed.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 28 Oct 2022 23:56

US and Russian troops meeting on 10/8/22 in Syria, interestingly without the bloodthirstiness of cold war fossils and warmongers on the internet:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 29 Oct 2022 00:17

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28 Oct 2022 23:56
the bloodthirstiness of cold war fossils and warmongers on the internet:
You mean Plastic Putin and his Kremlin creeps?

What's with that snivelling little rat-faced git copping a feel; Uneasy meeting a woman he's too scared to rape? Judging by the Orc's shitty dentures he's already met one he should have avoided.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by mezsat2 » 29 Oct 2022 07:15


What UKR strategic offensive ? There hasnt been one. There isnt one going on now. Just probing and fixing attacks.

More conscripts isnt going to end the war. Its just going to drag it out.

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Right. It's somewhat of a WW I scenario in an obviously different context. Defensive weaponry, at least for the time being, is clearly superior to offensive weaponry. Therefore, we see this playing out in the form of mass artillery bombardments but very little actual movement.

Vlad is going to turn this into an almost real WW I with these conscripts. Daily bombardments followed by "over the top" assaults with thousands slaughtered in short order by mines, snipers, and machine guns. As an added treat, they'll get their forward command posts liquidated by precision HIMARS and artillery strikes.

I doubt Ukraine has any intention of doing anything serious offensively right now. They're just trying to seize favorable local positions for defensive fortifications before winter to save ammo in gunning down the bayonet charges.

By contrast, WW II favored offense by a huge margin. In the Soviet offensive of Jan./Feb. 1943, T-34s drove right across the frozen Don and many didn't even bother to fire at the hapless Rumanian/Italian troops- to save ammo. They simply ran over them.

Today, even Vietnam style helicopter assaults are impossible with the MANPADs. And Vlad must remember that his country supplied at least 75% of the weapons that killed/injured over 150,000 US boys in that proxy war. Which, again, was a defensive war. In the end, though, South Vietnam and its government didn't care enough to fight it themselves. Ukrainians represent the polar opposite of that attitude. I see no evidence there's a single US boot on the ground in Ukraine, unless you count spies (who operate in all countries, all the time).
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 29 Oct 2022 08:59

Tom Peters wrote:
28 Oct 2022 17:04

Well, Vlad does have a stash of T-55 waiting to be used.
Still has a stash of T-90Ms too, of which Ukraine are yet to burn a single one.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 29 Oct 2022 11:22

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
29 Oct 2022 08:59
Tom Peters wrote:
28 Oct 2022 17:04

Well, Vlad does have a stash of T-55 waiting to be used.
Still has a stash of T-90Ms too, of which Ukraine are yet to burn a single one.
Didn't the Ukrainians destroy a confirmed one in May already:
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 29 Oct 2022 11:30

peeved wrote:
29 Oct 2022 11:22

Didn't the Ukrainians destroy a confirmed one in May already:

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They claim so, but there is a video of it showing another Russian tank knocking it out with a round point blank from behind.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 29 Oct 2022 12:10

Happen to have a url to that?
Give that crew medals.
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 29 Oct 2022 13:00

The Ukrainian offensive is still stalled. It is evident that Ukraine does not have enough capable troops. Most of their army is just good for static defense.

Either they are saving up what they have left or their offensive phase was really just 5 weeks after all.

If they do not achieve more operational results then the war is lost, their only hope for victory is a political one, like the victory of the communists over the US in Vietnam. More 'Tet offensives', and turmoil over mobilization in Russia.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 29 Oct 2022 13:54

There is a conspiracy theory that the withdrawal from Kharkiv was a '4D' chess move by Putin/MOD to anger the Russian people and get the country on mobilization and war footing.

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