I study the map for most combat days of this war and am familiar with unit capabilities and combat performance.Peter89 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2022 09:00A few remarks on this; the Ukrainian army doesn't have to be the best in the world, it only needs to be better than the Russian army. Also, being second rate does not mean worthless; if a second rate unit has 50% of the value of an elite unit, than 3 second rate unit can overpower an elite unit.
Also it is questionable what do we mean by second rate. A power of a unit is determined quantity of the material * quality of the material + quantity of the non-material * quality of the non-material. Seemingly the Ukrainians rested, trained and equipped a number of units in West Ukraine during the spring and the summer which now can not be called second rate. How much of that force was expended in the September offensives, is unknown.
The best trained Ukrainian formations were the ones that fought in the spring/early summer (pre-war). They got expended in this time frame. Ukrainian formations are composed of mobilized troops, in the main poorly trained. So a Ukrainian brigade has 3 infantry battalions, a security regiment has 2 battalions. Three Russian BTG has only one small infantry battalion combined.
So when you see a Ukrainian brigade resist successfully against 2 attacking Motor-rifle Russian BTGs in May 2022 it must be kept in mind that the Russians only have 400 infantrymen at most during that time period. The Russian tactics in this war, which is from a position of infantry shortage, is to use slowly attrit with artillery fire until their enemy withdraws. Then they take their position with very little close combat. The Ukrainian on the other hand is more combined arms oriented as they have no shortage of conscripts.
It is an apples vs oranges scenario. But this will change due to the Russian mobilization.
The Ukrainian army is lower quality than the DRP/LRP separatist formations when the separatists are supported by Russian artillery/ammunition supplies and the air force. The DRP/LRP has been advancing against Ukrainian regular army in the spring/summer and still maintain limited initiative in the Donbass. They have exceeded performance expectations of a force that in the spring still had a very ragtag appearance.