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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 10:07

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 09:48
Peeved is the one who opened the discussion to be about Nazis
As usual, you are lying.
I mentioned to...nazify as in nazification as a social process and "johnwilliamhunter" latched on to it to muddle the waters like a good little pro-Orc troll.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 08 Nov 2022 10:12

peeved wrote:
08 Nov 2022 10:00
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 09:49
peeved wrote:
08 Nov 2022 09:19
Can your claims be corroborated from any reliable source?
Is Zelensky reliable enough for you?
One, possibly two, does not many make.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 08:21
Photo is a Ukrainian soldier, one of many who wear the Totenkopf patch.
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There are many but I'm not going to spam the forum with images, you can find them if you look. There are neo-nazis in many countries, I'm not debating there are none in Russia, but this was in response to your suggestion that the Russians are nazis in general. I also note that Ukraine still has a monument to Bandera.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by johnwilliamhunter » 08 Nov 2022 10:13

peeved wrote:
08 Nov 2022 10:07
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 09:48
Peeved is the one who opened the discussion to be about Nazis
As usual, you are lying.
I mentioned to...nazify as in nazification as a social process and "johnwilliamhunter" latched on to it to muddle the waters like a good little pro-Orc troll.

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nazify
[ naht-si-fahy, nat- ]
verb (used with object), na·zi·fied, na·zi·fy·ing.(often initial capital letter)
to place under Nazi control or influence.

This is getting ridiculous..

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 08 Nov 2022 13:46

Russian journalist Anastasiya Kashevarova

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The Little Father clearly not to blame

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 08 Nov 2022 14:27

The Russian military's housing in 2017 authorized 889,423 reserve billets. There are approx. 3 million reservists that served within the past 10 years.

So partial mobilization is well within their housing capacity.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 15:55

Gooner1 wrote:
08 Nov 2022 13:46
Russian journalist Anastasiya Kashevarova

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All they are saying is give war a chance.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 16:03

Cult Icon wrote:
08 Nov 2022 14:27
The Russian military's housing in 2017 authorized 889,423 reserve billets. There are approx. 3 million reservists that served within the past 10 years.

So partial mobilization is well within their housing capacity.
Especially since in Ukraine they kick residents out of their dwellings.

Still not much need for housing the disposable Mobiks.
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Maybe the pipeline explosions were due to using Nord Stream 2 by mistake.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 20:13

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 10:12
this was in response to your suggestion that the Russians are nazis in general.
Where exactly did I make such a suggestion?
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 10:13
nazify
verb (used with object), na·zi·fied, na·zi·fy·ing.(often initial capital letter) to place under Nazi control or influence.
Since Vlad Putrid declared his aims in Ukraine to be denazification and demilitarisation and the Gremlin cuckoo always lies his true intentions are nazification and militarisation of Ukraine.
"Nazification - social process of adopting (or being forced to adopt) Nazism."
In this case Putinistan has similar ambitions to its "soviet" predecessor, the Red Nazis; Spreading the evil Ruffian nationalism and socialising other nationalities land and other resources for Orc use whilst trying to destroy their victims' national identity.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 20:13

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
30 Oct 2022 09:18
Tom Peters wrote:
29 Oct 2022 14:35
Wrong. RU has lost (at least) 25 T-90A and 5 T-90M, one of which was captured. Lots of interior shots of that last one.
I didn't dispute those numbers, I specifically said "T-90M" "burned" by Ukrainian forces. 5 in 8 months isn't really a large loss. Even Oryx shows an Excalibur artillery shell wasn't able to destroy one.
Actually it seems like Oryx couldn't confirm the Excalibur destroyed the T-90M so listed it as damaged. However a less formal statement from Oryx confirms that they didn't believe the tank in question was usable:
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Ukrainians have noted the heavier T-90 turret makes it less disposed to pop up with an internal explosion than the Jack-in-the-box models.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 20:26

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 05:44
"16,799 sqkm were already in the hands of Derp and Larper Proxy Rats." So you are aware this conflict didn't start this year.
Acting flippant when caught lying; How very agitprop of you.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
Over the last 8 months the Russian army took about 100,000km2+, and still hold about 90,000km2 of that
Since the Ruffians at the time orcified just about 65,000 sqkm of their evil gains from past 8 months, you were lying.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 05:44
You must mean Donetsk and Luhansk, so that territory was in the hands of the people who live there.
Since the territory was in the hands of Putin's puppets and other traitors, you are lying again.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
07 Nov 2022 05:55
forgive my very rough numbers, that doesn't suggest to me poorer performance of the Russian army than the Ukrainian.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 05:44
Using your numbers doesn't change the point.
So the fact that Ukrainians have liberated much more and Ruffians currently orcify much less area than you claim doesn't suggest to you any poorer performance of the Ruffian army than the Ukrainian. Neither does the fact that since sometime on the first month of so into the Orc's criminal aggression Ukrainians have liberated more area than Rusnazis have orcified in return.
Well, I doubt that anyone expects anything but pro-Orc bias from the likes of you.
Since you claimed that
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 05:44
the Ukrainian army retook about 10,000km2+ in the same time [last 8 months]
and the area liberated was much, much larger, you were lying again.

The main point seems to be that you are a constantly lying pro-Orc troll.
johnwilliamhunter wrote:
08 Nov 2022 05:44
A sensible person probably wouldn't keep confusing this conflict with the fantasy novel Lord of the Rings.
A sensible person would see the allegory of self-thinking individuals, some more flawed than others, fighting the forces of absolute evil.
A lying pro-Orc troll like you obviously doesn't see the world like relatively good, sensible people.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 20:26

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
29 Oct 2022 11:30
peeved wrote:
29 Oct 2022 11:22
Didn't the Ukrainians destroy a confirmed one [T-90M] in May already
They claim so, but there is a video of it showing another Russian tank knocking it out with a round point blank from behind.
peeved wrote:
29 Oct 2022 12:10
Happen to have a url to that?
As previously requested, please provide a link to the Ruffian tank fragging its comrade.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 08 Nov 2022 20:39

johnwilliamhunter wrote:
30 Oct 2022 09:18
Tom Peters wrote:
29 Oct 2022 14:35
RU has lost (at least) 25 T-90A and 5 T-90M, one of which was captured. Lots of interior shots of that last one.
5 in 8 months isn't really a large loss.
A minimum of 5.
Do you know for sure that there are no T-90M tanks among the 166 losses Oryx lists as unidentified?
Do you e.g. from your Ruffian ties know the actual T-90M losses?
Do you know how many T-90Ms have been deployed on the battlefield?
If not, you can really make no balanced argument on the severity of T-90M losses.
Not that anyone should expect anything but pro-Orc bias from the likes of you.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by VanillaNuns » 09 Nov 2022 00:20

A senior Ukrainian source (military or political) admitted today they just can't keep up with shooting down these Russian drones if there are further rounds of attacks. It's draining their supply of much needed anti aircraft missiles which aren't being replenished.

Yes, 90% of the drones are destroyed before they hit the intended target, but the cost of taking them out is overwhelming and becoming unsustainable.

The anti aircraft missiles are expensive, whereas the drones are relatively cheap.


Edit: It was Vadym Prystaiko, the Ukrainian ambassador to London who made these comments.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 09 Nov 2022 00:30

'Expert' opinion 11.7.22

Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence

https://static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Air- ... -final.pdf
• Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) conducted significantly more extensive fixed-wing strike
operations during the first days of the invasion than has been previously documented,
while Ukrainian ground-based air-defence (GBAD) capabilities were suppressed by
initial attacks.
• During this period, Ukrainian fighter aircraft inflicted some losses on VKS aircraft
but also took serious casualties due to being totally technologically outmatched and
badly outnumbered.
• Russian fighters have remained highly effective and lethal against Ukrainian aircraft
near the frontlines throughout the war, especially the Su-35S with the R-77-1 long-range
missile and, in recent months, the Mig-31BM with the R-37 very long-range missile.
• From early March, the VKS lost the ability to operate in Ukrainian-controlled airspace
except at very low altitudes due to its inability to reliably suppress or destroy increasingly
effective, well-dispersed and mobile Ukrainian surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems.
• Russian GBAD has also been highly effective since March, especially the longrange S-400 SAM system supported by the 48Ya6 ‘Podlet-K1’ all-altitude long-range
surveillance radar system.
• Numerous man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) provided to Ukrainian troops
and later mobile air-defence teams meant that low-altitude Russian fixed-wing and
rotary penetrating sorties beyond the frontlines proved to be prohibitively costly during
March, and ceased by April 2022.
• Throughout the war, most Russian airstrikes have been against pre-designated targets
with unguided bombs and rockets. The Su-34 fleet has regularly also fired standoff
missiles such as the Kh-29 and Kh-59 against fixed targets, and Su-30SM and Su-35S
fighters have regularly fired Kh-31P and Kh-58 anti-radiation missiles to suppress and
target Ukrainian SAM radars.
• Without air superiority, Russia’s attempts at strategic air attack have been limited to
expensive cruise and ballistic missile barrages at a much more limited scale. These failed
to achieve strategically decisive damage during the first seven months of the invasion.
However, the latest iteration is a more focused and sustainable bombardment of the
Ukrainian electricity grid, blending hundreds of cheap Iranian-supplied Shahed-136
loitering munitions against substations with continued use of cruise and ballistic missiles
against larger targets.
• The West must avoid complacency about the need to urgently bolster Ukrainian airdefence capacity. It is purely thanks to its failure to destroy Ukraine’s mobile SAM systems
that Russia remains unable to effectively employ the potentially heavy and efficient aerial
firepower of its fixed-wing bomber and multi-role fighter fleets to bombard Ukrainian
strategic targets and frontline positions from medium altitude, as it did in Syria.

The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
• It follows that if Ukrainian SAMs are not resupplied with ammunition, and ultimately
augmented and replaced with Western equivalents over time, the VKS will regain the
ability to pose a major threat.
• In the short term, Ukraine also needs large numbers of additional MANPADS and radarguided anti-aircraft guns, such as the Gepard, to sustain and increase its ability to
intercept the Shahed-136s and protect its remaining power infrastructure and repairs
to damaged facilities.
• In the medium term, Ukraine needs cost-effective ways to defend itself against the
Shahed-136. One option could be compact radar and/or laser ranging and sighting
systems to allow numerous existing anti-aircraft guns to be much more accurate and
effective against them.
• The Ukrainian Air Force fighter force needs modern Western fighters and missiles to
sustainably counter the VKS. Russian pilots have been cautious throughout the war, so
even a small number of Western fighters could have a major deterrent effect.
• Any Western fighter supplied in the short–medium term needs to be capable of
dispersed operations using mobile maintenance equipment and small support teams,
and flying from relatively rough runways, to avoid being neutralised by Russian longrange missile strikes.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 09 Nov 2022 00:32

RAND studies estimate that common Russian missile types (Cruise, ballistic missiles) cost between 0.5-2 million dollars USD. The flagship Iskander at 1 million per missile.

The Iranian drones are ultracheap in comparison.

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