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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Dec 2022 14:28

Russian 'war mongering' culture reminds me of the USA during the 1990s-2000s and the 1950s-1960s. Bush II and Putin were both called fascists and the US patriotic/hawkish mass media political commentary was similar to the Russian one today. However the politics of the war suggests that they are much less totalitarian than they appear. Putin is more of a 'big boss'/chairman than a Stalin or Hitler, and had to delay mobilization for a year due the unpopularity of conscription. Even in the US the US Army Reserve was called up much more efficiently than this for Iraq :lol:

There are other differences of course. In the first two months of the war US/Coalition forces killed over 10,000 Iraqi civilians, largely via collateral damage but they got away with it. When their skin is brown they matter less in our media :lol:

Zelensky & the entire Ukrainian military are starring in their own version of "Red Dawn" and have a highly aggressive military misinformation apparatus to support them :lol:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by peeved » 07 Dec 2022 14:43

ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
You talk as a Hollywood propaganda movie.
You spout worthless and often clashing opinions instead of facts. An example from the past:
peeved wrote:
14 Oct 2022 13:26
ljadw wrote:
14 Oct 2022 07:28
...Racism has nothing to do with races which do not exist
So in your mind it is all right to refer to anything you like as racism instead of "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."
OTOH you equal ethnicity with race:
ljadw wrote:
01 May 2022 18:49
There is no such thing as ethnicity, ethnicity is only a politically correct word for race .
and thus claim that neither ethnicity nor race exist.

Then you claim that
ljadw wrote:
10 Oct 2021 06:58
some one who says that an ethnic group is the same as a race ,can not be taken seriously .
and since ethnicity equals an ethnic group you admit that you cannot be taken seriously.
ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
Putin is now a Nazi
Not a brown Nazi like Adi Hitler and his ilk but has similar ambitions to his "soviet" predecessors in absolute evil, the red Nazis; Like them Vlad the Ever Paler is spreading the evil Ruffian nationalism and socialising other nationalities land and other resources for Orc use and trying to destroy their victims' national identity. And analogously to the red Nazis wrapping their Evil Ivan Imperialism in a red rag, Putinistan is glorifying the Rapist Army's and their criminal leader's dastardly deeds during their Great Imperialistic War of 1939...1945.
ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
The truth is that most governments ( including the government of Finland ) do not care about what happens in Ukraine,because it is not their business.
Then please quote e.g. secret documents from most governments attesting to such an attitude.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 07 Dec 2022 14:57

Doesn't look like Ukraine is running out of shells



Russia running out of time to take Bakhmut

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Dec 2022 15:41



Strategic rocket troops fire training missiles with Iskander-M. This is the type that has new mass production orders. Seems to be the preferred Self-propelled ballistic missile launcher going forward.



TU-95, strategic bomber/missile launcher.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Dec 2022 15:46

Loading missiles onto Iskander-M


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Dec 2022 17:00

Russia and China conducted strategic bomber exercises recently:


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Yuri » 07 Dec 2022 18:02

peeved wrote:
07 Dec 2022 14:43
ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
Putin is now a Nazi
Not a brown Nazi like Adi Hitler and his ilk but has similar ambitions to his "soviet" predecessors in absolute evil, the red Nazis; Like them Vlad the Ever Paler is spreading the evil Ruffian nationalism and socialising other nationalities land and other resources for Orc use and trying to destroy their victims' national identity. And analogously to the red Nazis wrapping their Evil Ivan Imperialism in a red rag, Putinistan is glorifying the Rapist Army's and their criminal leader's dastardly deeds during their Great Imperialistic War of 1939...1945.
Your speech, full of genuine passion, denouncing Nazism, could have been admired, if not for one small but. It is not difficult to notice that in your passionate speech there is no mention of a very remarkable Nazi with a white tinge, namely the President of Finland in 1940-1944 - Risto Heikki Ryti.
This Finnish Nazi with a white tinge declared on September 11, 1941 (that is, on the day when the German-Finnish troops closed the blockade ring around Leningrad) the following:
"If St. Petersburg no longer exists as a large city, then the Neva would be the best border on the Karelian Isthmus… Leningrad must be liquidated as a large city."
In anticipation of the imminent capture of Leningrad (St. Petersburg), this Finnish fascist with a white tinge prepared a speech that he intended to deliver on the day of the fall of the city on the Neva.
In particular, the speech of the Finnish fascist with a white tint Risto Heikki Ryti contained the following saying:
"For the first time in history, the once so magnificent capital, located near our borders, has fallen. This news, as expected, lifted the spirit of every Finn... For us Finns, Petersburg really brought evil. It was a monument to the creation of the Russian state, its conquering aspirations."
Against the background of outstanding European leaders (such as: Briton Churchill, Belgian King Leopold, German Chancellor Hitler, Spaniard Franco, Italian Duce Mussolini, Polish dictator Pelsudski and his accomplice Beck, Swedish King Gustav 5 Adolf, the above-mentioned Finnish fascist with a white tinge Risto Heikki Ryti, the great democrat President of the United States of America George W. Bush, an even greater Democrat, the British Tony Bleer, and so on and so forth, do not count the numbers) the Russian autocrat Putin is a primary school student.
For example, in October 1941, the Swedish bastard king Gustav V Adolf personally wrote a letter to Hitler, in which he thanked the Fuhrer that he had the courage to destroy the Russian PLAGUE:
"My dear Reich Chancellor!
I have a need to write openly to you on an issue that concerns me and is of the greatest importance to me and my country. This is a Russian question.
I believe this is of great importance for the future and you can find out about my view on the essence of this issue. Already after the First World War, I saw what a huge danger Bolshevism carries and continues to carry with it, not only for us in the North, but for the whole of Europe. Therefore, I want to express my warm gratitude for the fact that you decided to destroy this plague in every possible way. I congratulate you on the great successes you have already achieved.
I also want to assure you that the majority of my people share my views on this issue, although this may not have been sufficiently widespread. My activity will always be aimed at convincing all those who may still have doubts about the correctness of my views.
I must ask you not to make this letter public, at least while the war is going on (because this would weaken my position and complicate my activities aimed at maintaining good relations with Germany), and I count on your understanding (I am sure that you understand what difficulties exist in the conditions constitutional monarchy). However, you can be sure that I will do everything to preserve the good relations that exist between us.
With heartfelt wishes, I remain devoted to you Gustav."


No, guys, whatever you say, but the Russian autocrat Putin is still learning and learning from his more experienced European and American colleagues.

June 1942. European leaders: classic Nazi German Chancellor Adolf Hitler, Nazi with a white tinge, Finnish President Risto Heikki Ryti and his accomplice Marshal Mannerhem discuss plans to destroy the Russian city on the Neva - Leningrad/St. Petersburg.
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Dec 2022 19:44

Putin claimed that 77,000 reservists are currently (12/7/22) in combat units out of 150,000 reservists in Ukraine. The other 150,000 reservists are still in Russia.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16528313

"Out of 300,000 of our soldiers, our men, defenders of the Fatherland, 150,000 are in the zone of the [special military] operation, that is, half in the troops, in the grouping. Of these 150,000 who are in the grouping, half of them - this is 77 thousand - are directly in combat units, the rest are on the second, third lines, performing the functions, in fact, of territorial defense troops, or undergo additional training in the area of the operation,"

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by ljadw » 07 Dec 2022 20:39

peeved wrote:
07 Dec 2022 14:43
ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
You talk as a Hollywood propaganda movie.
You spout worthless and often clashing opinions instead of facts. An example from the past:
peeved wrote:
14 Oct 2022 13:26
ljadw wrote:
14 Oct 2022 07:28
...Racism has nothing to do with races which do not exist
So in your mind it is all right to refer to anything you like as racism instead of "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."
OTOH you equal ethnicity with race:
ljadw wrote:
01 May 2022 18:49
There is no such thing as ethnicity, ethnicity is only a politically correct word for race .
and thus claim that neither ethnicity nor race exist.

Then you claim that
ljadw wrote:
10 Oct 2021 06:58
some one who says that an ethnic group is the same as a race ,can not be taken seriously .
and since ethnicity equals an ethnic group you admit that you cannot be taken seriously.
ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
Putin is now a Nazi
Not a brown Nazi like Adi Hitler and his ilk but has similar ambitions to his "soviet" predecessors in absolute evil, the red Nazis; Like them Vlad the Ever Paler is spreading the evil Ruffian nationalism and socialising other nationalities land and other resources for Orc use and trying to destroy their victims' national identity. And analogously to the red Nazis wrapping their Evil Ivan Imperialism in a red rag, Putinistan is glorifying the Rapist Army's and their criminal leader's dastardly deeds during their Great Imperialistic War of 1939...1945.
ljadw wrote:
07 Dec 2022 11:06
The truth is that most governments ( including the government of Finland ) do not care about what happens in Ukraine,because it is not their business.
Then please quote e.g. secret documents from most governments attesting to such an attitude.

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After the Russian invasion of 2014,Finland continued to trade with Russia and its exports to Russia in 2021 (seven years after the 2014 invasion ) were $ 4,36 billion,the highest figure since 2014 .
If you do nothing after the first invasion, you have no right to whine about the second invasion .
And France and Germany continued to sell weapons to Russia after 2014 and only this year have these arms exports stopped, officially .
And most non Nato countries continue to trade with Russia . Some NATO members also .
Brazilian exports to Russia in October : $ 170 million, the highest figure since January .
About ethnicity and race : I said that ethnicity is now a politically correct word used by the media as replacement for race . For obvious reasons .Ethnicity and race are hollow words without any sense and meaning .There is no Jewish race or ethic Jews ,ethnic Fins, etc ..
About Russia and the USSR : there was no Soviet imperialist war between 1939 and 1945 and Germany did not start the war with imperialist aims,opposite to 1914 ; it was Hitler who changed the Versailles borders in Central and East Europe not Stalin .
From the view of the Kremlin, the war that started in 1939 was a capitalist Civil War where the USSR would remain neutral and non committed and would only intervene in the end if both capitalist groups were exhausted,something that was considered as unlikely :the Kremlin was convinced that France and Britain would defeat Germany very quickly .
For the Kremlin the occupation of mostly German allies in Central and East Europe was only a defensive measure .
About the Soviet army being a rapist army, so was the Wehrmacht to which belonged NATO generals as Speidel and Kielmansegg, so were the French colonial troops whose exploits the inhabitants of Rome have not forgotten .And US and British troops were also not innocent .
And about your claims that the attempts to kill Zelensky were genocidal : leaders of countries at war are legitimate targets .
US were involved in the elimination of political leaders of countries with whom they were not at war ,as Iran, Vietnam, Chile,or even of NATO allies as Germany (F.J.Strauss ) .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 07 Dec 2022 22:29

Quite a marker

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 07 Dec 2022 22:45

Reservists training with PK and also medical attention.

https://rutube.ru/video/afa9f4907fb6855 ... 983fd7bb7/

Reservists training with RPG-7 and Fagot ATGM

https://rutube.ru/video/636c6450eda39e8 ... b0cbe05d3/

Paratroop Reservists training in the Ukraine with MANPADs (firing from an armored vehicle). Shooting with AK-12s.

https://rutube.ru/video/139f4216d53722d ... 3a50a5967/


Reservists training on BTR

https://rutube.ru/video/65054f8fc6b7c20 ... 9725f8205/

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 08 Dec 2022 02:00

Reservist VDV training in Ukraine with a variety of weapons. It also includes anti-drone training with MANPADs being fired from armored vehicles supported by an Air defense vehicle:

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https://vk.com/bo_reserve?w=wall-124751034_5624

https://vk.com/bo_reserve?w=wall-124751034_5628

https://vk.com/bo_reserve?w=wall-124751034_5629

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by VanillaNuns » 08 Dec 2022 14:54

Russian advances into the Donbass back in the spring and summer were swift. But recent events remind me more of this old Blackadder sketch: :idea:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZT-wVnFn60

It's not going well. Has Putin even managed to capture 17 square feet of Ukrainian territory over the last few months? :| :lol:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 08 Dec 2022 15:44

VanillaNuns wrote:
08 Dec 2022 14:54
Russian advances into the Donbass back in the spring and summer were swift. But recent events remind me more of this old Blackadder sketch: :idea:

It's not going well. Has Putin even managed to capture 17 square feet of Ukrainian territory over the last few months? :| :lol:
You and several posters in this thread are not well informed..

Russia performed covert mobilizations and recruitment of volunteers in the summer-spring.

Most of the Russian army withdrew in July-August, to rebuild and train this 'new army'. At the same time they expanded the DPR/LPR forces and turned them into a replicate Russian army. What the media is not telling you is that Ukraine's successes were against a skeleton crew.

The NATO Secretary-General apparently agreed with me yesterday that the Russia will relaunch the offensive in spring 2023, spending the entire winter training.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 08 Dec 2022 16:01

Russian manpower in Ukraine has likely doubled since October (to 300,000 plus) and they have created extensive trench systems. They have at least 200,000 reservists/volunteers training in Russia and integrating with the army and a further 120,000 conscripts.

So they are getting stronger by the day, while Ukraine wore down their operational reserves and have an ammunition & equipment shortage. Russian defense expenditures for 2023 has increased by 50%. It also unlikely that NATO will be able to manufacture ammunition fast enough to support Ukraine's minimal needs. Russia maintains vast superiority in equipment and ammunition, and their air support has increased.

The Russian energy offensive seeks to damage Ukraine as a whole, both civilian and military. Perhaps by 2023 Ukraine's GDP per capita will fall to $1,000/per capita.

The US/UK media continues to be badly deluded.
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