Regelbau starting with "H"

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Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by pvv8 » 09 Dec 2022 10:03

Hello,

The following Regelbau bunkers starting with an "H"

Regelbau H636a‎
Regelbau H650‎ at HKB Marcouf / Azeville
Regelbau H667‎
Regelbau H669‎
Regelbau H671‎ at HKB Marcouf / Azeville
Regelbau H683‎

Does somebody know whether the "H" stands simply for "Heer" or could it be "Hülzengrube" ?

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by AvB » 09 Dec 2022 10:24

It's made up by French bunkerologists (M = Marine, L = Luftwafe so army (Heer) bunkers should have H) but it's never been used like this by the Germans. So forget about the H! It's just 636a, 650, etc etc.

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by pvv8 » 09 Dec 2022 11:01

Bedankt AvB

And is the following correct, coming from Wikipedia
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Whilst constructions were undertaken and planned by the OT for the Heer (army), the Kriegsmarine (navy) and Luftwaffe (airforce) would also man some of the fortifications, and they had their own designs and designations of fortifications, the Navy used M (Mittlere or Medium) for normal sea defence batteries with S (Schwere or Heavy) for the larger calibre guns, with FL (Flak or anti-aircraft) and V (Versorgung or support) for other emplacements,
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I like to double check things :)

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by AvB » 09 Dec 2022 14:43

Yes it’s correct. Although the V is still under debate. I’ve never seen the explanation in a German doc. And the Germans themselves had trouble with it as well. I’ve seen both M 414 and S 414, Fl 246 and M 246, but the explanation was logical as the M 246 was built in a medium coastal battery. :). But I would stick to the original designations. :)

It’s good to ask these questions. Keeps everybody sharp. :)

Also by calling out French bunkerologists I’m not saying all of them. :)
And yes there are some documents which mention the H, but these are exceptions.

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by pvv8 » 09 Dec 2022 15:18

Like I said, I try to double check these things, because you can find on websites different names / interpretations . Or even "mistakes" that are taken over from each other...

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by AvB » 09 Dec 2022 17:24

Yes, including Bunkersite. Updates coming up!

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by pvv8 » 09 Dec 2022 17:43

Coincidence, just had a look at your website.
Stp York M271 with the old car in it :D and above I saw your initials AvB...btw nice photo's

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by Chazette » 10 Dec 2022 22:27

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by Chazette » 10 Dec 2022 22:28

It's made up by French bunkerologists
No French but German term from 1944

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by TH » 11 Dec 2022 01:29

Chazette wrote:
10 Dec 2022 22:28
No French but German term from 1944
Seems more like an inaccuracy or perhaps a local convention. Even the S.K. is prefixed.

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by Chazette » 11 Dec 2022 03:12

maybe a local convention, I don't know, or maybe an evolution over time as the German army evolved. However the term appears on original German documents

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by pvv8 » 11 Dec 2022 11:01

Thanks for your reply, if there is smoke there is fire :)
However I presume that the "H" stands for "Heer" and not " Hülzengrube"...

If you are the writer from some books regarding the Atlantikwall, than I have another question...
It concerns Wn 241 ( it's on my list for my coming trip to Normandy )
It's mentioned as " Fort des Roches ", is it not possible that it's a "local" name and the official name should be " Fort de Digosville " formerly "Batterie de Bretteville-haut " ?

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by Chazette » 12 Dec 2022 10:45

Yes is Batterie de Bretteville-haut

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by AvB » 12 Dec 2022 11:35

Chazette wrote:
10 Dec 2022 22:28
It's made up by French bunkerologists
No French but German term from 1944
As I said. It can be found in one or two documents. But it should no be used anymore in present day literature.

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Re: Regelbau starting with "H"

Post by pvv8 » 12 Dec 2022 11:59

Thanks guys, for your replies !

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