Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
ttvon and Hugo,
firstly thanks for your input. I have been trying to identify this guy for years. I got this photo together with some Stuka KCs photos. I checked Lippe myself. It is really hard to say. There are some similiarities...
Best
Schuddie
firstly thanks for your input. I have been trying to identify this guy for years. I got this photo together with some Stuka KCs photos. I checked Lippe myself. It is really hard to say. There are some similiarities...
Best
Schuddie
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Hi Schuddie,
thanks for your reply on Lippe. To me, the underside of the ear is the most important element to decide that this can't be Lippe.
On the case of Gläser, I also have strong doubts. From face I see a possibility, but another reference that I check is the way the visorcap is worn. I have no photo in my collection, where he wears his cap, bended to the left. It's a habbit I didn't see any officer change yet during his career. Either it's left or right or horizontal. Maybe it has something to do with beeing right- or lefthanded? With the "shiffchen" it can sometimes differ, but not with the cap.
Kind regards,
Hugo.
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Hi John,John Toner wrote: ↑28 Mar 2017, 08:51Hi HugoSinjoorke wrote:p.149, pic. 47589.jpg is Hptm. Walther Koch, RK 10.05.1940. The picture shows him as Olt., so the RK must be added artificially.
p.214, pic. budapest 1944, RK-verleihung by Gen Deßloch.jpg, and
p.233, pic. be58_1jpg are FhjOfw. Klaus Schmidtberg, awarded by GenObst. Otto Deßloch.
Regards, Hugo.
The image on page 149 has been around for a long time. I don't think it's Walter Koch.
John
I finally found the hard photo of this one with the ID and indeed it isn't Koch, but Olt. Horst Harras.
Photo on pages 149, 274, 443 and 657.
Regards,
Hugo.
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
But it does not look like Harras, Horst.Sinjoorke wrote: ↑19 Dec 2022, 16:19Hi John,John Toner wrote: ↑28 Mar 2017, 08:51Hi HugoSinjoorke wrote:p.149, pic. 47589.jpg is Hptm. Walther Koch, RK 10.05.1940. The picture shows him as Olt., so the RK must be added artificially.
p.214, pic. budapest 1944, RK-verleihung by Gen Deßloch.jpg, and
p.233, pic. be58_1jpg are FhjOfw. Klaus Schmidtberg, awarded by GenObst. Otto Deßloch.
Regards, Hugo.
The image on page 149 has been around for a long time. I don't think it's Walter Koch.
John
I finally found the hard photo of this one with the ID and indeed it isn't Koch, but Olt. Horst Harras.
Photo on pages 149, 274, 443 and 657.
Regards,
Hugo.
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Hi Hugo,
I share your doubts regarding Alexander Gläser. He served in completely different units as Egon Thiem. Could it be Günther Müller instead (from II. (S)LG2 too which was later transferred to II. SG 2)?
Kind regards
Schuddie
I share your doubts regarding Alexander Gläser. He served in completely different units as Egon Thiem. Could it be Günther Müller instead (from II. (S)LG2 too which was later transferred to II. SG 2)?
Kind regards
Schuddie
Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Hello,
pls help to recognize
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Thank you
pls help to recognize
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Thank you
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This is Horst Harras.
/ Daniel J
Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
#22868 by Andyzor » 20 Dec 2022 06:19
img295P+.jpg is Loerzer, Bruno
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img295P+.jpg is Loerzer, Bruno
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
On full photo emblem Nachtjagdgeschwader
https://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe/njg5.html
Maybe this Nachtjägdflieger?
Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Hi ttvon, hi Hugo,
interesting remark. You are absolutely right. The emblem on the Fieseler Storch is that of NJG 1 and it seems to me that 'our' unknown wears a Front Flying Clasp with wings showing down which would be an indication for a Fighter Clasp instead of a Bomber Clasp. Here we have obviously a Day Fighter Class which initially was worn by Night Fighters too as the Night Fighter Clasp was introduced not until August 1942. There is no doubt that the guy with the white cap is definitely Egon Thiem as it is stated period time on the reverse.
Best regards
Schuddie
interesting remark. You are absolutely right. The emblem on the Fieseler Storch is that of NJG 1 and it seems to me that 'our' unknown wears a Front Flying Clasp with wings showing down which would be an indication for a Fighter Clasp instead of a Bomber Clasp. Here we have obviously a Day Fighter Class which initially was worn by Night Fighters too as the Night Fighter Clasp was introduced not until August 1942. There is no doubt that the guy with the white cap is definitely Egon Thiem as it is stated period time on the reverse.
Best regards
Schuddie
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sorry, showing up not down
Schuddie
Schuddie
Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Hi Daniel,
thanks for your reply.
Looking again at this ID, I am not 100% sure either anymore. The ears are not completely the sane and the upper lip is different. Another question is, why he looks older as an Olt than as an Hptm? For pic. 13 see also pages 554, 766 and 1402.
Some more pics of the man.
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weißenfeld