The end of tanks as we know it?

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T-14s on the move:

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3313875

Train of T-80BVs

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/1 ... 9528800256

This footage of 40 tanks (T-62M, T-72B3 Mod2022, T-90M) was taken in Rostov.

https://vk.com/milinfolive?z=video-1235 ... -123538639

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T-80BV Newreel, it is possibly the result of new production. covered in ERA blocks.

https://vk.com/milinfolive?z=video-1247 ... 51034_6032

Photogallery of T-90M assembly

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3350749

T-72 undergoing modernization to B3 standard, also covered in ERA blocks.

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photo gallery of factory floor of IFV/APC assembly

https://vk.com/bo_reserve?w=wall-124751034_6022

"Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev visited JSC "61 Armored Repair Plant" in St. Petersburg "

Photo gallery and newreel. I believe repair plants like this are where the Russians take vehicles from Soviet storage and refurbish/modernize them.

https://vk.com/bo_reserve?w=wall-124751034_6021

[Michael Kenny]

UK Newspapers are all reporting that UK tanks are to be sent to Ukraine. It appears the general belief is they are some sort of superweapon that is going to 'win' the war. I note one report that says 'only 1 has ever been knocked out in Battle and that was a friendly fire incident' . I fear national pride is going to suffer when the inevitable happens.

[Tom Peters]

I dont see why sending 10 Challengers would do much good. Even if the tank is much better than anything else in country, crew training and general tactics are more important. That, and you are adding an entirely new logistical burden. Maybe if this is part of a long term training program for western tanks, but as a tactical use, 10 tanks wont accomplish much.

Mad Dog

[Michael Kenny]

I dont see why sending 10 Challengers would do much good..............10 tanks wont accomplish much.

It is part of the propaganda war. High tech UK wonder-weapons are going to show them there Russkie's a thing or two. A faint echo of the old gunboat diplomacy mindset. Still won't be too bad as it will be Ukranians who will get to die in them when reality bites.

[Tom Peters]

I dont see why sending 10 Challengers would do much good..............10 tanks wont accomplish much.

It is part of the propaganda war. High tech UK wonder-weapons are going to show them there Russkie's a thing or two. A faint echo of the old gunboat diplomacy mindset. Still won't be too bad as it will be Ukranians who will get to die in them when reality bites.

No one here thinks 10 tanks are going to win it all.

Nor do I think its propaganda, more of "will someone start this dance" set of moves. Once one European power sends 1st line tanks, more will follow. I dont actually think Challengers will be sent - UK has so very few to begin with.

Mad Dog

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T-90M platoon on the road

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3354351

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Newsreel separate tank battalion "August" of the LPR NM

https://vk.com/bo_reserve?z=video-12475 ... 63e5cc223f

https://vk.com/bo_reserve?z=video-12475 ... b84050b58d

[mezsat2]

Massive escalation coming from NATO in terms of armor. Leopards will be pouring into Ukraine by the hundreds in short order. 1's and 2's. US has already transported the 1st Armored division to Poland, in full.

I don't believe the Abrams tanks will be provided to Ukraine, rather, they will be there to bolster weakened NATO forces once member nations have sent a large number of the Leopards to Ukraine.

I would guess nearly a thousand Leopards will be fielded by the AFU by the end of May.

[Gooner1]

It's official, UK to supply about a dozen Challenger 2




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-64274704


Hopefully that breaks the logjam

[Leprechaun]

A dozen Challenger 2 will make no difference what so ever, if they even get sent.

[Michael Kenny]

The 'super-tank' mindset I mentioned earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjaY6UV ... ForcesNews

[Gooner1]

A dozen Challenger 2 will make no difference what so ever, if they even get sent.

14 Challenger 2 and 30 AS90



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-a ... putins-war

This is a very useful piece of the 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs and 500 howitzers General Zaluzhny requires for victory.

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Germany’s Leopard 2 Tank in Syria Was Beaten Badly in Battle. Why?

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... -why-78441

"Germany’s Leopard 2 main battle tank has a reputation as one of the finest in the world, competing for that distinction with proven designs such as the American M1 Abrams and the British Challenger 2. However, that reputation for nigh-invincibility has faced setbacks on Syrian battlefields, and placed Berlin in a uniquely awkward national-level dispute with Turkey, its fellow NATO member."

"This was shockingly illustrated in December 2016 when evidence emerged that numerous Leopard 2s had been destroyed in intense fighting over ISIS-held Al-Bab—a fight that Turkish military leaders described as a “trauma,” according to Der Spiegel. A document published online listed ISIS as apparently having destroyed ten of the supposedly invincible Leopard 2s; five reportedly by antitank missiles, two by mines or IEDs, one to rocket or mortar fire, and the others to more ambiguous causes.

These photos confirm the destruction of at least eight. One shows a Leopard 2 apparently knocked out by a suicide VBIED—an armored kamikaze truck packed with explosives. Another had its turret blown clean off. Three Leopard wrecks can be seen around the same hospital near Al-Bab, along with several other Turkish armored vehicles. It appears the vehicles were mostly struck the more lightly protected belly and side armor by IEDs and AT-7 Metis and AT-5 Konkurs antitank missiles.

Undoubtedly, the manner in which the Turkish Army employed the German tanks likely contributed to the losses. Rather than using them in a combined arms force alongside mutually supporting infantry, they were deployed to the rear as long-range fire-support weapons while Turkish-allied Syrian militias stiffened with Turkish special forces led the assaults. Isolated on exposed firing positions without adequate nearby infantry to form a good defensive perimeter, the Turkish Leopards were vulnerable to ambushes. The same poor tactics have led to the loss of numerous Saudi Abrams tanks in Yemen, as you can see in this video."







Been there, done that. Also, in WW2 there were similar such ideas.

What is needed ON BOTH SIDES are more effective combat formations that can integrate combined arms and reliably break into the operational depths. Tanks are big targets in modern warfare. Having a Ukrainian raise another conscript brigade of middle aged men, give it a few weeks of training, and commanded by reservists who had 2 months of NATO training, and then calling it 'airmobile' 'airborne assault' 'mountain assault' is not it.

Russian weapon that knocked out Leopard 2s:



https://archive.is/ynlSK