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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Aida1 » 26 Jan 2023 07:51

Cult Icon wrote:
26 Jan 2023 04:16
Before nuclear weapons, the real unasked question is why the Russians are rarely using their larger bombs in this war, and instead constantly using expensive and lower yield missiles and artillery. They used FAB-5000 at the Azovstal. By continuously not doing so, they sacrifice their troops in unnecessary combat. They have already fought many unnecessarily long battles for a year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAB-5000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAB-9000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs

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There are now a mass of Ukrainian formations concentrated at Bakhmut-Soledar. These weapons could be used on them with devastating results and Wagner would be able to advance.

Could it be (*gasp) that they are trying to keep the civilian death count down? The infrastructure is ruined anyway by the shelling.
Your sick imagination. Russia would pay a heavy price when using these weapons.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Michael Kenny » 26 Jan 2023 07:52

mezsat2 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 06:48
Absurd. It's not a "western mindset", it's reality vs. insanity.
It troubles me that someone who posted:
mezsat2 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 02:24
All Russian strategic military assets will be eliminated in less than an hour. Meanwhile, an enormous surviving force of NATO/non-NATO forces will simply drive right into Moscow (after the fallout settles) and hang every person affiliated with the Kremlin mafia.

This will involve 2 billion casualties, but........
could label anything else as 'insane'

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by mezsat2 » 26 Jan 2023 08:12

My post has been deleted yet again, but the best option for Russia right now is to withdraw from Ukraine and join NATO. Reparations and "war crimes" will have to be sorted out later. Russia could be a powerful ally against the tyrannies in Asia/Africa/S. America.

China, like Turkey, is trying to "ride the fence". They don't want be on the side of a lost war. Nobody ever has.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by mezsat2 » 26 Jan 2023 12:02

I had honestly, for years, considered expatriating to Russia. I love the immense Lake Baikal and the cold climate. The people are very friendly and welcoming in that region (I've been there for a couple of weeks). My tears well up in that the leadership can't appreciate the vast, incredible beauty of their own country and be satisfied with it. War and death are more important, apparently.

Still, and yet, Russia encompasses the most beautiful wild lands on the Earth and I genuinely love them. Are they worth thermonuclear destruction? I think no.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by ljadw » 26 Jan 2023 15:45

mezsat2 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 08:12
My post has been deleted yet again, but the best option for Russia right now is to withdraw from Ukraine and join NATO. Reparations and "war crimes" will have to be sorted out later. Russia could be a powerful ally against the tyrannies in Asia/Africa/S. America.

China, like Turkey, is trying to "ride the fence". They don't want be on the side of a lost war. Nobody ever has.
Turkey is a de facto ally of Russia:it imported in October 2022 much more Russian oil than in October 2021,the reason is obvious : Turkey exports this oil (disguised as Turkish oil ) to countries that officially are lying not to buy Russian oil .
And what does do the West ?
Finland is selling weapons to Turkey (why does Turkey need Finnish weapons? ) to become member of NATO .
US are selling aircraft to Turkey which Turkey uses to invade Iraq and Syria ,something our media are justifying/hiding ,but when Russia invades Ukraine, it is the end of he world .
And Turkey is buying a 2.5 billion ISD missile defense system from Russia .And why should Russia act against tyrannies in Asia,Africa, S.America ? People in Russia do not believe what Kipling said about the White Man's burden .
Besides : why do we need to fight against these tyrannies and to impose on these people our political and social system ?
I thought that Blair was no longer PM of Britain,or am I wrong ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by ljadw » 26 Jan 2023 15:52

Aida1 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 07:48
Michael Kenny wrote:
26 Jan 2023 06:21
mezsat2 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 05:09
Russia proper will never fear invasion. Putin knows this.
The key 'western mindset' that is the absolute root of the current conflict.
The root of the conflict is Russia thinking that eastern european peoples do not have the right of selfdetermination.
This is not true :Russian does not care about thee self determination of Poland, Hungary , Romania, ....
Besides : the RIGHT of self determination does not exist ,as there are no rights in international politics .

The root of the conflict is that Western liberals do not accept that there are countries which refuse their political and social system .
See :Libya, Syria ,etc ..

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 26 Jan 2023 16:23

Russia is not losing the war right now. Like the Soviet Union in 1941-1942 they have never been losing the war.

They have more strategic depth than Ukraine in 2023.

The claims of US/UK/Ukrainian propaganda, wishful thinkers and ignorant morons are wrong: Ukraine is the side that is losing.

However the longer the war continues, the strategic weight can move to their side. If Russia is still in the positions it is now in 2024 then I will say that Russia is losing.

What they do in the spring-summer of 2023 is strategically decisive for the course of the war.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by dgfred » 26 Jan 2023 17:33

Difference is in 1941-1942 they were not the aggressor. If you start a war you plan to win... not tie.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 26 Jan 2023 17:51

Russia is now dug-into much of the territory they annexed in the first place. Ukraine's attacks have failed to eject the occupiers.

On the goal of de-militarizing Ukraine, that is something that nobody really knows. The strategic balance is still on Russia's side for 2023. It all depends on the performance of the Reserve army (approx. 250,000-200,000 men) that is currently building and training.

Nobody knows also, if Russia will escalate in its use of chemical, biological, and high powered bombs that will inflict mass military and civilian casualties. The use of these weapons would greatly improve their chances of success.

If the Russians do not use the special weapons and the performance of the Reserve army is disastrous in 2023, then the strategic balance will move towards Ukraine.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Aida1 » 26 Jan 2023 18:02

ljadw wrote:
26 Jan 2023 15:52
Aida1 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 07:48
Michael Kenny wrote:
26 Jan 2023 06:21
mezsat2 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 05:09
Russia proper will never fear invasion. Putin knows this.
The key 'western mindset' that is the absolute root of the current conflict.
The root of the conflict is Russia thinking that eastern european peoples do not have the right of selfdetermination.
This is not true :Russian does not care about thee self determination of Poland, Hungary , Romania, ....
Besides : the RIGHT of self determination does not exist ,as there are no rights in international politics .

The root of the conflict is that Western liberals do not accept that there are countries which refuse their political and social system .
See :Libya, Syria ,etc ..
Clearly not a specialist in international law either. :lol: :lol:

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 26 Jan 2023 19:21

Cult Icon wrote:
26 Jan 2023 16:23

The claims of US/UK/Ukrainian propaganda, wishful thinkers and ignorant morons are wrong: Ukraine is the side that is losing.

What they do in the spring-summer of 2023 is strategically decisive for the course of the war.
Yes, we'll certainly see in the next six months who has been the gullible victim of propaganda, a wishful thinker and an ignorant moron.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Gooner1 » 26 Jan 2023 19:32

Excellent article by Mick Ryan on Putin's strategy for 2023
https://mickryan.substack.com/p/thinkin ... nd-russian


"Russia’s 2023 Strategy Strategy for Ukraine
The Russian strategy for the subjugation of Ukraine is likely to have seven components that will be observed in the coming year. These are informational, command and leadership, military, diplomatic, national mobilisation, economic and adaptation. Together, Putin will be hoping these provide the physical, moral and intellectual wherewithal to outwait the west and eventually defeat Ukraine.
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While Ukraine has dominated the information space for much of the war, Russia is fighting back, and we should assume more resources will be invested in this aspect of Russian strategy in 2023. They will have watched the recent debates of tanks in Europe closely and will use this and other potential fractures to attempt to split and degrade support for Ukraine. Russia will continue to propagate these narratives as part of its information and influence operations in 2023."
Certainly noticed more of the latter recently.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Cult Icon » 26 Jan 2023 20:32

Gooner1 wrote:
26 Jan 2023 19:32

While Ukraine has dominated the information space for much of the war,
As indicated by the posts from you and a few others here :lol:

The chief problem with the US/UK/Ukrainian pro-Ukrainian propaganda narrative is that it makes little to no military sense.

Posters from this site, who study WW2 should have the common sense to see the low intelligence prevalent throughout it.

But the weakness of your emotions overcomes reason!

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

Post by Sid Guttridge » 26 Jan 2023 20:55

Hi ljadw,

You ask, "why do we need to fight against these tyrannies.....?"

I think you just answered your own question!

Cheers,

Sid.

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