news from Russo-Ukraine Front

[Gooner1]

What the propaganda sources you confuse for facts don't tell you is that Ukraine's military performance in the attack is approximately a 1.5 out of 5 in this war with an extremely high failure rare.

They have been trying to take the Kremmenya salient since October 2022. They spent half a year failing against Kherson west bank.
Russian military performance in spring in the offense is approx. a 3.5 out of 5 all things considered. In the summer a 2.5-3 out of 5. Their main issue wasn't infantry losses but losses of vehicles.

Uh, the Russians have been trying and failing to take Bakhmut since August 1st.

You think Ukraine has failed to take Kherson west bank?

[Cult Icon]

Ukraine-war tabloid journalism...

[ljadw]

Difference is in 1941-1942 they were not the aggressor. If you start a war you plan to win... not tie.

Who said that plans do not survive the first battle ?

[ljadw]

The West WAS most of the economy .You live in the past .

Graphics disabled on your computer or something?

South Korea does not belong to the West :
5 years after the first Russian invasion of Ukraine ( thus in 2020 ),SK was still importing goods and services from Russia for a value of 12,5 B USD, of which
5,03 B of crude petroleum
1,65 B of refined petroleum products
1,6 B of coal .
SK exports to Russia were 7,93 B USD.
Germany and the other European countries received the order from DC to stop THEIR imports from Russia after the second Russian invasion :
WHY can Germany not do in 2022 what SK was allowed to do in 2020 ?
And why could SK do in 2020 what Germany could not do in 2022 ?

[Cult Icon]

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... 2510-1.pdf

funny parts:

"The U.S. ability to focus on its other global
priorities—particularly, competition with China—will
remain constrained as long as the war is absorbing senior
policymakers’ time and U.S. military resources"

" Russia will be more dependent on China than it
was before the war regardless of its duration."

"And although Russia will be more dependent on China
regardless of when the war ends, Washington does have
a long-term interest in ensuring that Moscow does not
become completely subordinated to Beijing. A longer war
that increases Russia’s dependence could provide China
advantages in its competition with the United States."

I like the whole idea that the real puppet-master is Emperor of a thousand heavens Xi and Putin is his puppet to defeat the United States.

[Gooner1]

[
5 years after the first Russian invasion of Ukraine ( thus in 2020 ),SK was still importing goods and services from Russia for a value of 12,5 B USD, of which

HTF is trade in 2020 relevant? :nuts:

https://keia.org/the-peninsula/2022-in- ... uth-korea/

[Gooner1]

Ukraine-war tabloid journalism...

An accurate map that neatly shows the foolishness of 90% of your words.

[Tom Peters]

Why should we help what you call the good guys ? There are no good guys in international politics .

Why did the US help Europe when Hitler invaded ?

Mad Dog

1 US did not help Europe in 1939 and 1940 : it did not declare war on Germany when the Germans attacked the Netherlands and Belgium . If it was possible, US would have sold war material to Germany after 1939 .
2 LL started only in 1941
3 The reason for LL was not that Hitler was a bad guy but that the end of Cash and Carry would hurt US economy and thus also FDR .
4 Why did US not help the Jewish Germans who wanted to emigrate to the US ?
5 Why did US not help China but Japan after the rape of Nanking ?
6 US did help Salazar, Franco, Pinochet ,although these were not good guys for the liberals of DC .
6 Why did US not sanction Turkey after its invasion of Cyprus ?
7 Why did Reagan resume the export of US grain to the USSR after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan ?

How many Americans died to liberate Belgium, for example ?

Think about that for a minute.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

Nice that we have an echo of Russian mil sources right here on AHF

You mean the "misinformation" part ?

Our favorite Kremlin fanbois love to shovel that out. I just cant wait to see another picture of a RU train loaded with tanks headed somewhere ! It just adds so much to this discussion !

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

Russian 'confirmed' dead is approx . 11,500. (BBC/Meduza) DPR reports a few thousand.

Once again, Cult Icon deliberately misconstrues the BBC info. he has been informed otherwise, yet persists on flogging this RU propaganda point.

Fact: The US, Britain and Norway all place the RU casualties at somewhere around 150,000, with UKR casualties being similar.

Who will you believe ? The intelligence services of 3 different nations, or some guy on the internet named Cult Icon ?

In a war of attrition Ukraine will lose. It has a larger but lower quality army than Russia.

Larger army ? werent you just claiming the RU army is far larger ? Can you make up your mind ?

The UKR are performing better than the RU, that much is obvious. The RU struggle to take any terrain in the last 4 months. The UKR have already shown they can attack and reclaim large swathes of territory.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

What the propaganda sources you confuse for facts don't tell you is that Ukraine's military performance in the attack is approximately a 1.5 out of 5 in this war with an extremely high failure rare. They have been trying to take the Kremmenya salient since October 2022. They spent half a year failing against Kherson west bank.

How does that compare against the progress of the RU army in the last 6 months or so ? (by the way, who owns Kherson and Lyman now ?)

Hello ? Cult Icon ? Hello ?

Russian military performance in spring in the offense is approx. a 3.5 out of 5 all things considered. In the summer a 2.5-3 out of 5. Their main issue wasn't infantry losses but losses of vehicles.

One wonders where these numbers were pulled from. Seriously, with an infinite number of numbers available you would think the RU handlers would choose something more...Soviet...giving the RU performance a 8.5 out of 5 or something.

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

The Russian sources, despite their flaws are not quite as terrible as the torrent of made up garbage from the UK and US, including UK intelligence memes. The only worthwhile Ukrainian sources are their intelligence services, despite being a minefield.

Wow. Can anyone really be this dense ? Cult Icon is ACTUALLY claiming that RU sources (i.e. no free press, complete tools of Putin), are more reliable than the myriad of free agencies in the western world.

I bet you read Pravda during the cold war. Did you take your honeymoon in Moscow, like Bernie Sanders ?

Mad Dog

[Tom Peters]

A good description of the typical US/UK self proclaimed 'Ukraine war expert' is 'intellectual tourism'. A lot of confident sounding made up gibberish that is meant to preach to the 'choir'. Idiots, all of them Tom Peters with his routine 14 posts in a row, typically with zero sources is just a wannabee

...and here I thought you promised never to read my posts again.

I am giddy with excitement !

Mad Dog

[mezsat2]

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... 2510-1.pdf

funny parts:

"The U.S. ability to focus on its other global
priorities—particularly, competition with China—will
remain constrained as long as the war is absorbing senior
policymakers’ time and U.S. military resources"

" Russia will be more dependent on China than it
was before the war regardless of its duration."

"And although Russia will be more dependent on China
regardless of when the war ends, Washington does have
a long-term interest in ensuring that Moscow does not
become completely subordinated to Beijing. A longer war
that increases Russia’s dependence could provide China
advantages in its competition with the United States."

I like the whole idea that the real puppet-master is Emperor of a thousand heavens Xi and Putin is his puppet to defeat the United States.

Dude...seriously. Smoke a blunt and relax. Nobody is going to invade Russia. Enjoy its grandeur for what it is and be satisfied with it.

That said, and I'll say it yet again. Crimea should ultimately be a "free state" where citizens of Russia and Ukraine can freely come and go as they please. In the long term, this would heal the emotional wounds of this devastating conflict. I'm talking 100 years, not 10.

Putin would be wise to negotiate for this in a new peace treaty. He could actually claim this as the greatest victory in Russian history if he can pull it off. Albeit in terms that few of his countrymen will actually understand. Profound long-term greater good isn't a specialty around the world.

The elephant in the room, of course, is a spirit of mutual respect. Russia will respect Ukraines' right to exist and vice versa. I'm not feeling that at the moment. Note that it's the word "respect". Not love. I respect many people I have no love for. Fear has nothing to do with it. Wise, appropriate decisions by others earn respect.

[Cult Icon]

"[46] Geolocated combat footage suggests that Russian troops captured Mykilske, on the southeastern outskirts of Vuhledar.[47] Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Advisor Yan Gagin claimed that fierce battles are ongoing on the outskirts of Vuhledar and that Russian troops have entrenched themselves on the southeastern and eastern outskirts of the settlement.[48] Russian sources, including the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD), reported that the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade and other Eastern Military District and DNR elements are operating in the area.[49] Social media footage shows Russian troops firing on Vuhledar with a TOS-1A Thermobaric artillery system.[50] The use of a military district-level artillery asset suggests that the Russian command may be prioritizing advances in the Vuhledar area. Russian milbloggers claimed that Ukrainian forces are redeploying from Bakhmut to defend Vuhledar.[51]"

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ry-27-2023

Also combat elements of 2nd Motor-rifle division has moved to the Luhansk.