Tom Peters wrote: ↑28 Jan 2023 22:51
ljadw wrote: ↑28 Jan 2023 07:52
You said that the US helped Europe when Hitler invaded and that is not correct .
Arms sales, lend lease, etc. After Hitler invaded, there ended up being a lot of dead Americans.
But hey, I guess there are no good state actors like you claims.
ljadw wrote: ↑28 Jan 2023 07:52
It is also not correct to state that Hitler invaded Europe : he invaded 8 European countries:Poland,Norway ,Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, Yugoslavia and Greece and the USSR,but Europe is bigger than that .
Pedantic much ?
ljadw wrote: ↑28 Jan 2023 07:52
And that 79 years ago Americans (and British and Canadians and Belgians ! ) died during the liberation of Belgium is irrelevant for the discussion about present American foreign policy .
Its entirely relevant to the claims you made earlier.
Mad Dog
You can't say :79 years ago US (and other countries as the USSR ! ) liberated the parts of Europe that were occupied by Germany ,thus the Europeans must follow the American policy concerning Ukraine .
Saying this is the same as saying in 1979:34 years ago the Soviets have liberated a big part of Europe from the Germans, thus Europe must admit and support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan .
What happens 79 years ago is irrelevant for what happens today .
The ONLY reason for Europeans to support the US policy concerning Ukraine is,if the Russian invasion ( not occupation as there is no chance for the Russians to do this ) is a threat for the European members of NATO. If it is not a threat for the European members of NATO (and there is no proof that the invasion is a threat ),it is thus also not a threat for the US and for Canada and there is no reason for them to intervene in this war,except that this war is a good occasion for the military-industrial complex and its agents on Capitol Hill to make a lot of money.
If I were an Ukrainian,I would take a gun to kill Russians who invaded my country, but,I am not an Ukrainian .Thus ....
And, don't tell me that this invasion is illegal :legality has no role in international politics .Turkey invaded Syria :must we help Syria? Iraq invaded Iran :must we help Iran ?Indonesia invaded Timor : did we help Timor ?
Etc,etc,.....