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Post by LineDoggie » 25 Jan 2023, 21:12

Loïc wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 20:02
10 300 still in England, mainly sailors, were assaulted by the Royal Navy and Royal Marines and sent behind a triple network of barbed wire under electric tension and watchtowers with armed sentinels
So much like the 67K +Jews, france rounded up and put behind wire @ Vélodrome d'Hiver, Drancy, Pithiviers,etc. before rending them to the Reich for transport east?
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Post by Loïc » 25 Jan 2023, 21:28

LineDoggie wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 21:12
Loïc wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 20:02
10 300 still in England, mainly sailors, were assaulted by the Royal Navy and Royal Marines and sent behind a triple network of barbed wire under electric tension and watchtowers with armed sentinels
So much like the 67K +Jews, france rounded up and put behind wire @ Vélodrome d'Hiver, Drancy, Pithiviers,etc. before rending them to the Reich for transport east?
contrary to the United States, despite total freedom full sovereigny and democracy, where pogroms against blacks, concentration camps against yellows and others foreigners didn't need any defeat nor foreign occupation by the german army, with an antisemitism largely shared by the great part of the citizens, until Roosevelt, not to mention the hostility against the jewish immigration and refugees,
Anne Franck as child would have 86% of chances to survive in France, while in the United States where the people instead of give lessons to the rest of the world should only thanks God and the geography to not have seen the german invasion that is an other story...


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Post by LineDoggie » 25 Jan 2023, 21:59

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25 Jan 2023, 21:28


contrary to the United States, despite total freedom full sovereigny and democracy, where pogroms against blacks, concentration camps against yellows and others foreigners didn't need any defeat nor foreign occupation by the german army, with an antisemitism largely shared by the great part of the citizens, until Roosevelt, not to mention the hostility against the jewish immigration and refugees,
As opposed to pogroms against indochinese, africans, arabs for the glory of france?

Anti Semitism? like Dreyfuss sent to devils island for being a jew?

What gas chambers were used against Nisei/Issei?
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Post by Loïc » 25 Jan 2023, 22:16

Dreyfus? It would not be rather like Leo Franck who didn't end up in a something like Guantanamo Alactraz places but lynched

and better to not count the number of people pogromized for the glory of the colonial imperial history of the US from 1600 to our days from New England to Philippines

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Post by LineDoggie » 25 Jan 2023, 22:57

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25 Jan 2023, 22:16
Dreyfus? It would not be rather like Leo Franck who didn't end up in a something like Guantanamo Alactraz places but lynched

and better to not count the number of people pogromized for the glory of the colonial imperial history of the US from 1600 to our days from New England to Philippines
Franck would not a better comparison be the Jewish children france happily turned over to the nazis?

as to Colonialism, France should never speak without showing pig ignorant hypocrisy
Acadia
Algeria
Clipperton Island
Comoros Islands (including Mayotte)
French Guiana
French Equatorial Africa
Chad
Oubangui-Chari
French Congo
Gabon
French India (Pondichéry, Chandernagor, Karikal, Mahé and Yanaon)
French Indochina
Annam
Tonkin
Cochinchina
Cambodia
Laos
French Polynesia
French Somaliland
French Southern and Antarctic Lands
French West Africa
Ivory Coast
Dahomey
Guinea
French Sudan
Mauritania
Niger
Senegal
Upper Volta
Guadeloupe
Saint Barthélemy
Saint Martin
La Réunion
Louisiana
Madagascar
Martinique
French Morocco
French Mandate for Syria and Lebanon
New Caledonia
Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon
Saint-Domingue
Shanghai French Concession (similar concessions in Kouang-Tchéou-Wan, Tientsin, Hankéou)
Tunisia
Wallis-et-Futuna

France handed over more Jews than the nazis thought they could get


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Post by Loïc » 25 Jan 2023, 23:05

About anticolonialist and antimperialist hypocrisy everybody knows the US are the place to be to learn lessons
the jewish children had greater possibilities to escape to the death and deportation in France where they were 86% to survive, with Denmark and Italy, than in other country in Europe hard fact, in a continent where only 10 to 15% of them survived...what if in the US...

The Jews Should Keep Quiet: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and the Holocaust.
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Re: Story of Churchill distrust for De Gaulle emerges...

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Post by CogCalgary » 26 Jan 2023, 05:03

LineDoggie wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 21:03
Loïc wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 20:02

rather Haïti Nicaragua Cuba Panama Dominican Republic until Irak and Afghanistan few months ago?
We didnt annex Irak, Afghanistan, Haiti, Cuba, Panama, or the DR as part of the USA, you lot did annex Algeria and Morocco, Mayotte as part of france proper
Eric Margolis said that the French were quite skilled with their interrogaters in Algeria.They waited till the main guy was 90+ before they went after him.

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Post by hubertlopez » 26 Jan 2023, 21:21

this dispute is stupid, a country whatever it is is not angelic, its policy is first dictated by its interests, its culture and its history. For me, De Gaulle (for France) and Churchill (for the Anglo-Saxon world) are two of the greatest men of the 20th century. Their respective and sometimes so similar temperaments could not make them friends but it seems that they respected each other a lot and above all, despite their arguments, they managed to put the common interest first: to fight Hitler.

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Post by LineDoggie » 27 Jan 2023, 00:18

Loïc wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 23:05
About anticolonialist and antimperialist hypocrisy everybody knows the US are the place to be to learn lessons
the jewish children had greater possibilities to escape to the death and deportation in France where they were 86% to survive, with Denmark and Italy, than in other country in Europe hard fact, in a continent where only 10 to 15% of them survived...what if in the US...

The Jews Should Keep Quiet: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and the Holocaust.
https://fr.timesofisrael.com/le-sectari ... des-juifs/
Only a hypocrite would make excuses for his nation sending Children to the gas chamber

"Oh they could escape" really? just how many escaped Auschwitz? you are pathetic

Again when talking of Colonialism- France takes the prize just slightly behind the British Empire for sheer chutzpah
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Post by Loïc » 27 Jan 2023, 06:29

LineDoggie wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 00:18
Loïc wrote:
25 Jan 2023, 23:05
About anticolonialist and antimperialist hypocrisy everybody knows the US are the place to be to learn lessons
the jewish children had greater possibilities to escape to the death and deportation in France where they were 86% to survive, with Denmark and Italy, than in other country in Europe hard fact, in a continent where only 10 to 15% of them survived...what if in the US...

The Jews Should Keep Quiet: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and the Holocaust.
https://fr.timesofisrael.com/le-sectari ... des-juifs/
Only a hypocrite would make excuses for his nation sending Children to the gas chamber

"Oh they could escape" really? just how many escaped Auschwitz? you are pathetic

Again when talking of Colonialism- France takes the prize just slightly behind the British Empire for sheer chutzpah
trolling from fuckfrance.com, my nation have no apologizes to make, and certainly not to serve to those who protected Klaus Barbie & Co and wished to eliminate de Gaulle, a chance that Nazi Germany, "paradise' and main partner of US Elites, didn't occupy New England because poors American jews I am afraid with such mentality...not sure they received the same chances than within French society much less crippled by racialist obsessions against jewish blacks or yellows despite under nazi occupation dictature and propaganda, tell us what are yours own so-called pathetic excuses when "your nation" exterminated indians including children and babies or send ad patres blacks or yellows, Filipinos Haitians Nicaraguayans Dominicans Vietnamese Irakians etc, segregated quite a number of non-Wasp on its own soil until to be a model for nazi laws, all that when not even being under german nazi nor foreign occupation, but still a free democratric independant sovereign country and being yourself neocolonialists imperialists occupiers in several countries, and the great leader of anticommunism having supported communists Viets, Algerian communists terrorists, and others fifth colummists communists against France
so, the great winners of the great price of hypocrisy and cynism giving lecturing to others nations and the rest of world with such kind of moral and humanism lessons with the objectivity and crass ignorance of a great inquisitor and revolutionnary political commissar converting occupied nations into occupiers exterminators of the Shoah or assimilate to them...curiously the same logic is not applied in this post to the nations under French and British Empires, a further double standard hypocrisy, not a surprise in a country unable to adopt the metric system


When Washington wanted to "destroy" de Gaulle
Destroying adversaries through rumour, intrigue and manipulation is not unique to the United States. It is an aggressive and at the same time discreet use of soft power. The maneuver is not new. It was used against de Gaulle, as Eric Branca recounts based on recently declassified US documents

https://www.revueconflits.com/soft-powe ... ic-branca/

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Post by yantaylor » 28 Jan 2023, 22:27

I didn't think it would be long before the British got a kicking on this thread, ye gods, you would think we where the only ones who had one, forget the French, Spanish, Dutch & portuguese.
All empires had good and bad points, the good never get mentioned, like the old sayng "what did the romans ever do for us".
The bad points, well it seems like every one did bad things back then, but this has been going on for thousands of years, its mankind its how they used to do things, they are still doing it now in Ukraine.

We need to stop bad stuff now, the past is the past.

BTW, is it true that after Churchill ordered 140.000 French troops to evacuated from Dunkirk, De Gaulle wanted to set up shop in Northern Ireland to keep off English soil?

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Tom Niefer wrote:
24 Jul 2003, 20:01
Myself I think he was just an Anglophobe if there can be such a thing. He stuck his nose in Canadian politics during the 60's which kind of pissed me off. I don't expect thanks for Canadian fought battles in France during WWI and II but a lttle respect would be OK. I don't like it when leaders go to other countries and spew their own nationalistic BS.

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OH come on "vive la Quebec libre" was one of the greatest trolls of all time (i doubt i could ressist to do it in his place).
Problem was that during the war Churchill wanted him under control like all the other minor exile goverments. US wanted to work with Vichy and it almost came to shooting war during St Pierre et Miquelon liberation. Then they tried to bypass him in North Africa after Torch after D day they wanted to sideline the french completly and impose US military goverment (they even had the money printed and all).
After the war the biggest problem was Gladio netowork. US&UK wanted their own NATO network bypassing french on french territory. Heck the generals coup against DeGaulle was blessed by americans.

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Post by LineDoggie » 31 Jan 2023, 23:00

Loïc wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 06:29
my nation have no apologizes to make
no need to apologize to the USA, we expect the snubs. Your nations apologies should be directed to the Indochinese, Annamese, Algerians, Moroccans, Jews, Syrians, Lebanese, et al
Loïc wrote:
27 Jan 2023, 06:29
and certainly not to serve to those who protected Klaus Barbie & Co and wished to eliminate de Gaulle, a chance that Nazi Germany, "paradise' and main partner of US Elites, didn't occupy New England because poors American jews I am afraid with such mentality...
Says the nation with a French Waffen- SS Division and invented the term COLLABORATOR! whose people SPIT on Allied POW marched through Paris. the original nation of the snob ungrateful-
https://www.criticalpast.com/video/6567 ... occupation

Who pressed SS and Wehrmacht men into the FFL in its campaign to subjugate the Indochinese. You even used men who perpetrated Oradour massacre in the legion


De Gaulle the small man ego speaking, even banned the British Flag and units in the 1945 victory parade but it was OK for french soldiers to wear US & UK made uniform items and carry their US&UK weapons, Demanded SOE advisor Robert Landes, LdH CdeG MC & Bar to be banned from france (of course Landes was both British and a Jew so no wonder de Gaulle wanted him banned since he spent more time in france fighting for its freedom than de gaulle had)

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not sure they received the same chances than within French society much less crippled by racialist obsessions against jewish blacks or yellows (They are called Asians you racist)despite under nazi occupation dictature and propaganda, tell us what are yours own so-called pathetic excuses when "your nation" exterminated indians including children and babies or send ad patres blacks or yellows, Filipinos Haitians Nicaraguayans Dominicans Vietnamese Irakians etc, segregated quite a number of non-Wasp on its own soil until to be a model for nazi laws, all that when not even being under german nazi nor foreign occupation, but still a free democratric independant sovereign country and being yourself neocolonialists imperialists occupiers in several countries, and the great leader of anticommunism having supported communists Viets, Algerian communists terrorists, and others fifth colummists communists
Sure, and tell us the Brave frenchmen who served in Waffen-Grenadier Division Charlemagne murdering in the east , the brave french massacres in Africa, Asia, Pacific rim, North Africa, Mexico
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27 Jan 2023, 06:29
hypocrisy, not a surprise in a country unable to adopt the metric system
(says a Nation Which cannot defend itself without those British and Americans so lets bring up metric system to avenge french national ''Honneur'') hypocrisy from the nation that says Liberté, égalité, fraternité (unless you are a Jew or African or Arab, or Asian, )but rapturously sent trainloads of Jewish Children to be murdered on behalf of their German masters who were shocked the french willingly sent more than the Germans asked for...
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TISO wrote:
30 Jan 2023, 00:32
Then they tried to bypass him in North Africa after Torch after D day they wanted to sideline the french completly and impose US military goverment (they even had the money printed and all).
So not having french money to pay for items the US&UK were supposed to do what?
Use Reichsmarks? or just steal it?
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Post by Loïc » 01 Feb 2023, 07:00

the come back of the troll from fuckfrance.com
no need to apologize to the USA, we expect the snubs. Your nations apologies should be directed to the Indochinese, Annamese, Algerians, Moroccans, Jews, Syrians, Lebanese, et al
we expect that first you will do the same concerning red-yellow-black and others nonWasp catholic-jew- people etc
Says the nation with a French Waffen- SS Division and invented the term COLLABORATOR! whose people SPIT on Allied POW marched through Paris. the original nation of the snob ungrateful-
Who pressed SS and Wehrmacht men into the FFL in its campaign to subjugate the Indochinese. You even used men who perpetrated Oradour massacre in the legion
Sure, and tell us the Brave frenchmen who served in Waffen-Grenadier Division Charlemagne murdering in the east , the brave french massacres in Africa, Asia, Pacific rim, North Africa, Mexico
this recalls the same level of comment than the famous "entrepreneur is not a french word"...'collaborator' hum rather collaborateur maybe
two references to 7000 SS indicating a weak level of knowledge mixing crass ignorance and apology, no, there is no more people in the "Waffen SS" Charlemagne than in my village a day of market while there were 5 millions of men in the French Army while in New York there are celebrations for the victory for your main partner Nazi Germany over France with the SS perpetrating their first crimes
again you are very well placed to teach lessons to the world, e.g. Asia to not mention Viêt Nam, the American colonisation of Philippines maybe one half-million of dead for 7 millions of inhabitants in only few years, any other colonial power would be impressed by such toll death,
and to talk about México dividing the size of your neighbour by two, chapeau
Pobre México tan lejos de Dios tan cerca de los Estados Unidos
from Jay Treaty to numerous Roosevelt and successors stabs on the back, US are well placed for lessons of ungratefulness to France
De Gaulle the small man ego speaking, even banned the British Flag and units in the 1945 victory parade but it was OK for french soldiers to wear US & UK made uniform items and carry their US&UK weapons, Demanded SOE advisor Robert Landes, LdH CdeG MC & Bar to be banned from france (of course Landes was both British and a Jew so no wonder de Gaulle wanted him banned since he spent more time in france fighting for its freedom than de gaulle had)
in others occasions you received french uniforms weapons and equipments if I remember even la Louisiane one third of your territory
and for the rest in comparison with the antisemitic Roosevelt who considered de Gaulle as a fascist dictator only supported by communists and jews, who shared the same vision than Hitler and Nazi Germany concerning the independance of France, that is to say treated her no more better than the 3 Axis powers who attacked and occupied France in 1940 when the US were neutrals : Nazi Germany, Facist Italy and Japan, replacing the german occupation of France by the US one with the AMGOT, the same Roosevelt sharing the same vision than the nazis about his geography : the North and Alsace Moselle already separated by Nazi Germany who should be given to the newly-raised kind of BENELUX state with the Great Duchy of Luxembourg...!!
says a Nation Which cannot defend itself without those British and Americans so lets bring up metric system to avenge french national ''Honneur'') hypocrisy from the nation that says Liberté, égalité, fraternité (unless you are a Jew or African or Arab, or Asian, )but rapturously sent trainloads of Jewish Children to be murdered on behalf of their German masters who were shocked the french willingly sent more than the Germans asked for...
you are are speaking from a nation who wasn't unable to fight against their british masters and german auxiliaries until to ask the help of the French Army, proclaiming the rights only for WASP excluding the others according their skin colors? From both anglo-saxon countries who didn't cease to support and protect Germany against the guarantees asked by France throughout the years 30, it was time to react in 1939 one year later the germans were everywhere
Hum no at all, the behaviour of the French people was certainly not to send "childen jews" to the nazis burning their neighbours in the synagogues nor to be associated with such criminals acts, it is not the past or modern Far West where you are free to kill your neighbours according the color of his skin or past Eastern Europe, such comment doesn't reflect at all the attitude of the people, the children jews were more safe in France than in other occupied country except Denmark, and more if not all without Laval and Nazi Germany

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