The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 10 Mar 2023 14:33

Let's have a look at his memoirs in English.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 11 Mar 2023 01:29

Sid Guttridge wrote:
10 Mar 2023 08:26
Hi Guys,

We know that the Grand Mufti spent much of the war in Germany and supported its war effort as the likeliest way to get the British, French and Jews out of Arab lands.

This thread is now fifteen years old, but have we found anything that ties the Grand Mufti specifically to the so-called "Holocaust" yet?

Cheers,

Sid.
I just decided that there is certainly more to be uncovered about Husayni.
These supposed late war missions.Any real names attached to these operatives?
Exactly where Husayni traveled in Turkey.
He certainly had lieutenants.
The very solid OVRA presence in the ME.
Sid is this not the second time you have urged members to give up on Husayni?
Surely with your family background you heard some things?

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by LineDoggie » 12 Mar 2023 00:49

Sid Guttridge wrote:
10 Mar 2023 08:26
Hi Guys,

We know that the Grand Mufti spent much of the war in Germany and supported its war effort as the likeliest way to get the British, French and Jews out of Arab lands.

This thread is now fifteen years old, but have we found anything that ties the Grand Mufti specifically to the so-called "Holocaust" yet?

Cheers,

Sid.
At the very least he is a Nazi Collaborator as odious as Laval or Darnand, Pavelić, etc.
"There are two kinds of people who are staying on this beach: those who are dead and those who are going to die. Now let’s get the hell out of here".
Col. George Taylor, 16th Infantry Regiment, Omaha Beach

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 12 Mar 2023 01:58

LineDoggie wrote:
12 Mar 2023 00:49
Sid Guttridge wrote:
10 Mar 2023 08:26
Hi Guys,

We know that the Grand Mufti spent much of the war in Germany and supported its war effort as the likeliest way to get the British, French and Jews out of Arab lands.

This thread is now fifteen years old, but have we found anything that ties the Grand Mufti specifically to the so-called "Holocaust" yet?
The Italians disguised themselves as Arabic Palestinians is my understanding .

Cheers,

Sid.
At the very least he is a Nazi Collaborator as odious as Laval or Darnand, Pavelić, etc.
At the very least.
Possibly passing Intel.
Possibly providing shelter in Palestine for OVRA agents and..possibly combatants?A mosque?
The Italians disguised themselves as Arabs in the M.E is my understanding.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by wm » 15 Mar 2023 23:58

LineDoggie wrote:
12 Mar 2023 00:49
At the very least he is a Nazi Collaborator as odious as Laval or Darnand, Pavelić, etc.

Although the Mufti wasn't a collaborator (whatever terrible things it means) but a German co-belligerent, i.e., the same enemy, different political and military goals.

There is something very fake in calling everybody a collaborator, as if the entire Europe was full of Nazis.
When if fact, the majority were (unwilling) co-belligerents, for example, all the countries invaded by the Soviets in 1940 (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania) or were threatened by the Soviets (Bulgaria.)
The Soviets not only invaded but attempted genocide there.
Similarly, the defeated Western countries, including France, didn't have much choice in that.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Mar 2023 07:51

Hi ConCalgary,

How can asking for evidence for the Mufti's complicity in the so-called "Holocaust" be interpreted as urging, ".....members to give up on Husayni". It is the exact reverse.

It is very noticeable that your post contained absolutely no reference to the so-called "Holocaust". Is this because you have no evidence of the Mufti having a role in it?

Errrrr,..... why would my family background, of which you can know virtually nothing, have given me access to information, or be relevant in any way?

Cheers,

Sid

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Mar 2023 07:55

Hi LineDoggie,

Yes, it is quite likely that "At the very least he is a Nazi Collaborator as odious as Laval or Darnand.....", but that doesn't answer the question as to whether the Mufti had a role in the so-called "Holocaust". Do you have anything on this? The thread doesn't seem to have turned up anything after 15 years, or am I missing something?

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 17 Mar 2023 12:30

Sid Guttridge wrote:
17 Mar 2023 07:51
Hi ConCalgary,

How can asking for evidence for the Mufti's complicity in the so-called "Holocaust" be interpreted as urging, ".....members to give up on Husayni". It is the exact reverse.

It is very noticeable that your post contained absolutely no reference to the so-called "Holocaust". Is this because you have no evidence of the Mufti having a role in it?

Errrrr,..... why would my family background, of which you can know virtually nothing, have given me access to information, or be relevant in any way?

Cheers,

Sid
I have located a copy of The Quest For the Red Prince in the public library system.
Author Zohar is claimed to be the personal biographer of David Ben Gurion.

Sid you claimed on CS that your grandad was involved with running the POW camps in India early in the war.
Was Asmara the next assignment?
I would think that your grandad “was in the know”.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Mar 2023 12:47

Hi ColCalgary,

Why would my grandfather being in charge of Italian POWs in British India give him any insight into what was going on inside Axis Europe between the Nazis and the Mufti?

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 17 Mar 2023 13:23

Sid Guttridge wrote:
17 Mar 2023 12:47
Hi ColCalgary,

Why would my grandfather being in charge of Italian POWs in British India give him any insight into what was going on inside Axis Europe between the Nazis and the Mufti?

Cheers,

Sid.
If the Italians provided the Mufti with a fake diplomatic passport,obviously they were involved.
Two Allied missions in the M.E were snuffed in 41,these missions originated in Palestine.
David Raziel was killed by a German aircraft in Iraq.

Do you feel that the Italians could operate in Palestine without some help?
If as claimed by Ben Gurion's biographer that an attempt at chemical warfare happened do you feel that Husayni was in the dark?

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by wm » 17 Mar 2023 15:11

I don't quite understand why a (probably totally inept) mission is held against the Mufti - if he wasn't a British citizen or even a citizen of any Allied nation.

When at the same time, the Jewish underground in Palestine (full of deserters from the Polish Army to boot) fought militarily against the British - setting bombs, and killing soldiers and politicians. And the people who did it get hero treatment today.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 17 Mar 2023 15:43

wm wrote:
17 Mar 2023 15:11
I don't quite understand why a (probably totally inept) mission is held against the Mufti - if he wasn't a British citizen or even a citizen of any Allied nation.

When at the same time, the Jewish underground in Palestine (full of deserters from the Polish Army to boot) fought militarily against the British - setting bombs, and killing soldiers and politicians. And the people who did it get hero treatment today.
Which inept mission?All the Jewish fighters are considered heroes,yes.British soldiers in Palestine grew to hate the Jewish people,and were involved in some shocking retribution against civilians.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Sid Guttridge » 17 Mar 2023 19:53

Hi ColCalgary,

You appear to be off in a parallel universe where conspiracy theory rules and hard facts don't matter. Come back to us when you have something linking the Mufti with the so-called Holocaust.

So far you have produced absolutely nothing.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 17 Mar 2023 22:46

Sid Guttridge wrote:
17 Mar 2023 19:53
Hi ColCalgary,

You appear to be off in a parallel universe where conspiracy theory rules and hard facts don't matter. Come back to us when you have something linking the Mufti with the so-called Holocaust.

So far you have produced absolutely nothing.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 17 Mar 2023 22:53

Sid Guttridge wrote:
17 Mar 2023 19:53
Hi ColCalgary,

You appear to be off in a parallel universe where conspiracy theory rules and hard facts don't matter. Come back to us when you have something linking the Mufti with the so-called Holocaust.

So far you have produced absolutely nothing.

Cheers,

Sid.
Lol Sid.This event has been covered up since 41.
The real question.
Why?

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