European Jewish Communites Shoah Then Arab Jewish Communites Judenfrei NOW

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European Jewish Communites Shoah Then Arab Jewish Communites Judenfrei NOW

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 17 Mar 2023 17:48

90 Years ago European Jewish Communites were destroyed in the Shoah
Today Arab Jewish Communities are becoming Judenfrei:
As part of the Arab world vow never to recognise Republic of Israel...their own countries are Judenfrei Just as Germany started on the road to judenfrei
*Afghanistan 0 Judenfrei
*Algeria 0 Judenfrei https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/ ... 7635384142 World Jewish Congress website "Jews lived in Algeria from the preJe-Roman period to the early 1960s. There is no Jewish community left in Algeria today."(Accessed 18 March 2022)
*Bahrain had 30 in 2017
*Bangladesh had 4 in 2018
*Egypt 3
*Asmara, Eritra 1 (reporatbly murdered)
*Ethiopia 100(?)
*Iran 8,500 [90% loss since 1948]
*Iraq 3
*Jordan 0 Judenfrei
*Lebanon 27 to 20 [50% loss from population of 40 in 2006 ]
Lybia 0 Judenfrei
*Malaysia 0 Judenfrei
*Morrocco had 2,250 in 2020
*Oman 0 Judenfrei
*Pakinstan 900 in 2017
*Saudi Arabia 0 Judenfrei
*Sudan 0 Judnfrei
*Syria 0 Judewnfrei
Tunisa 1,050 in 2020
*Turkey (80,000 in 1948 went to 15,000 in 2020 drop of 65%)
*Yemen 1 known alive as of 1 year ago according to United Nations

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Re: European Jewish Communites Shoah Then Arab Jewish Communites Judenfrei NOW

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 21 Mar 2023 13:41

What Leadership Choices for Jewish who go up to Israel ironically both have roots in Galat
Land without religion
The left wing anti religious who think that Israel Can be reborn without the Torah who physically live in Israel but who are spiritually living in the attitude of athestic Socialism back in overthrowing the CZAR and Utopia will make all men brothers with out religion....
https://matzav.com/the-true-source-of-r ... i-bennett/
Religion without land
On the other hand fanatic religious anti Zionist who physically live In Israel but who are spiritually living in the Galat Jewish Europe now long destroyed...https://religionnews.com/2021/05/03/sht ... i-zionism/

The Jewish Responces to both attitudes see query and answers Message Number 3
https://www.thehebrewcafe.com/forum/sho ... p?tid=1001

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Re: European Jewish Communites Shoah Then Arab Jewish Communites Judenfrei NOW

Post by michael mills » 25 Mar 2023 04:20

Algeria 0 Judenfrei
The Jews of Algeria were French citizens, and thus had the same status as the European settlers in the country. They had been given French citizenship in 1870 under the Cremieux Decree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9mieux_Decree

When Algeria gained its independence in 1962, all French Citizens living in the country were declared to be illegal aliens subject to deportation, and were required to leave. Thus, thus the Jews of Algeria were not expelled as Jews, but as French citizens without right of residence. Most of them immigrated to France.
Malaysia 0 Judenfrei
Were there ever any Jews living there?
Syria 0 Judenfrei
Some years ago I saw a documentary about Jews living in Syria who wanted to emigrate to Israel but were prevented from doing so by the Syrian Government. If there are now no longer any Jews living in Syria, that would suggest that the Syrian Government has relented and allowed the Jews to leave voluntarily, ie it did not expel them.

*Turkey (80,000 in 1948 went to 15,000 in 2020 drop of 65%)
That simply suggest that the Jews emigrated voluntarily, not that they were expelled.

Lebanon 27 to 20 [50% loss from population of 40 in 2006 ]
That suggests voluntary emigration rather than expulsion.
Morrocco had 2,250 in 2020
Which means that Morocco is not actively trying to destroy its remaining Jewish population.

Iran 8,500 [90% loss since 1948]
Which means that Iran is not actively trying to destroy its remaining Jewish population.

Tunisia 1,050 in 2020
Which means that Tunisia is not actively trying to destroy its remaining Jewish population.


Your comparison of the emigration of Jews from Muslim countries with the physical destruction of the Jews of Europe during the Second World War is thus totally mendacious.

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Post by Loïc » 25 Mar 2023 12:12

Indeed for Algeria 90% of them joined France after the FLN came to power in july 1962
concerning both protectorates of Tunisia and Morocco they emigrated to France for the first (60% of the Tunisian Jews) or Israël after 1956 and mainly to Israël for the Moroccan Jewry after 1948 and Latin or North America like Québec and France

a nonsense topic showing a complete ignorance about the History and cultural identity of others countries, wishing to mix with malicious provocative polemical intents the Shoah extermination and its terminology such as judenfrei with post-WWII events in the so-called "Arab World"
because glad to learn that the following countries below in red belong to the ARAB WORLD I am sure that our few Turkish and Iranian fellow members will appreciate to know such point
not to mention Ethiopia second oldest christian country in the world who historically fought against the Islamic Arab world
LAstryAGAIN wrote:
17 Mar 2023 17:48
90 Years ago European Jewish Communites were destroyed in the Shoah
Today Arab Jewish Communities are becoming Judenfrei:
As part of the Arab world vow never to recognise Republic of Israel...their own countries are Judenfrei Just as Germany started on the road to judenfrei

*Afghanistan 0 Judenfrei
*Bangladesh had 4 in 2018
*Iran 8,500 [90% loss since 1948]
*Malaysia 0 Judenfrei
*Pakinstan 900 in 2017
*Turkey (80,000 in 1948 went to 15,000 in 2020 drop of 65%)

*Asmara, Eritra 1 (reporatbly murdered)
*Ethiopia 100(?)

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Re: European Jewish Communites Shoah Then Arab Jewish Communites Judenfrei NOW

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 29 Mar 2023 04:35

Judenfrei Wikipedia
The depopulation of the Jewish communities from Arab and Muslim countries of the Middle East and North Africa was described as the result of an effort to make these countries judenrein or judenfrei. Dr. Peter Schotten wrote on the matter, saying "Arab states responded ruthlessly to the lost war and to the newly displaced Arab refugees by undertaking systematic and bold oppressive measures against their Jewish citizens. Their citizenship was stripped, arrests and detentions took place, religious restrictions were imposed, freedom of movement was curtailed, assets were frozen and property seized, employment opportunities were closed off and Zionism was criminalized."[24] Lyn Julius wrote in the Jewish Journal, "Only three years after the end of World War II, the members of the Arab League were bent on emulating the Nazis. They set about making the Arab Middle East judenrein (free of Jews). They applied Nuremberg-style laws, criminalizing Zionism, freezing Jewish bank accounts, instituting quotas, imposing restrictions on jobs and movement. The result was the mass exodus and spoliation of a million Jews.

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[24] "The Great Escape: How and Why Most Arab States Became Judenfrei - jewishideas.org". www.jewishideas.org.
[25] Julius, Lyn (February 8, 2018). "Arab anti-Semitism, and the Nazis". Jewish Journal.

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Post by michael mills » 30 Mar 2023 05:06

The actions taken by various Arab states against their Jewish citizens in response to the ethnic cleansing of much of the Arab population of Palestine strongly resemble the actions taken by the US Government against persons of Japanese race living in the United States, both citizen and non-citizen, as a reaction to the Attack on Pearl Harbour.

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Post by wm » 30 Mar 2023 15:19

It was more like the people themselves were enraged and demanded vengeance.

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Post by michael mills » 31 Mar 2023 09:11

Indeed. The people of the United States were enraged by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and demanded actions against the Japanese people living among them, whom they immediately viewed as enemy aliens.

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Post by CogCalgary » 01 Apr 2023 01:48

michael mills wrote:
31 Mar 2023 09:11
Indeed. The people of the United States were enraged by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and demanded actions against the Japanese people living among them, whom they immediately viewed as enemy aliens.
Believe the Canadians circulated a story about an older Japanese lady taking lunch out to a vessel on the coast.

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Post by wm » 02 Apr 2023 23:59

But the Niihau incident couldn't be more real.
When Americans of Japanese descent were given an opportunity to show their loyalty, they chose treason.

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Post by CogCalgary » 03 Apr 2023 16:07

wm wrote:
02 Apr 2023 23:59
But the Niihau incident couldn't be more real.
When Americans of Japanese descent were given an opportunity to show their loyalty, they chose treason.
Two Japanese speaking island residents.

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Post by LineDoggie » 03 Apr 2023 23:51

wm wrote:
02 Apr 2023 23:59
But the Niihau incident couldn't be more real.
When Americans of Japanese descent were given an opportunity to show their loyalty, they chose treason.
Harada and Shintani were by law NOT US citizens at that time

Nice try though

Is there a List of Poles who were traitors for Germany?
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Post by wm » 04 Apr 2023 01:01

The Japanese (or rather the Africans and Asians) were forbidden to emigrate to the US, but those two people were born in Hawaii, so they had to be citizens.

It really didn't matter anyway. The point is their betrayal fuelled the spy/saboteur paranoia in the US (although such paranoia was common to all belligerents.)
History is about understanding the reasons why things happened, not constantly judging people and events according to one of the moral systems.

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Post by gebhk » 04 Apr 2023 14:32

Hi WM
History is about understanding the reasons why things happened
It probably should be about that. Sadly, I would suggest it is predominantly about forming convenient mnarratives to support political and economical programmes and viewpoints. This latter use does not, of course, favour an honest, nuanced, logical or consistent approach to the subject. Rather it divides people (and indeed entire scieties, countries and races) into 'goodies' and 'baddies' judged according to the historians' own societal norms and prejudices. An issue addressed in much of the work of Orna Keren-Carmel of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in relation to the Holocaust in the Scandinavian countries in particular, for example. This historically nonsensical topic is a classical example of this latter approach. The sooner it is closed, the better.
The point is their betrayal fuelled the spy/saboteur paranoia in the US
Or their loyalty to their fatherland, depending on point of view. In fact, AFAIK, only one of the three Japanese involved was Hawaiian-born - Yoshio Harada who, ironically, was most active in helping Nishikaichi, the Japanese pilot and who killed himself rather than be captured. His wife, Irene and Ishimatsu Shintani were not actively involved - it could be argued they did their best to remain neutral. Irene was imprisoned for 31 months and never charged with any crimes. Shintani was interned but later released and gained US citizenship in 1960. However, WM is quite right that regardless of any moral or legal issues, the incident was used to demonstrate that people of Japanese ethnicity in the US "could not be trusted".

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Post by LAstryAGAIN » 04 Apr 2023 16:00

Indeed despite the hysteria concerning Japanese Immigrats to USA after NIIHAU Incident and the forced relocation of these persons from California, Oregon and Washington...on hysterical Spy charges....not once was any of them shown to be syping for IJN/IJA forces..four years of wasted time energy and resouces {MP Companies those sole purpose was to guard the relocation camps!!!!}....ironically there was 1 IJN would be Spy in the US...the "doll woman"....who wasnt even asian! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvalee_Dickinson
One of those interred was actor george Takai ironically in a 1960 epsiode of the twilight Zone he places young Japanes american who is tormented by guilt because his father helped the IJN at Pearl harbor.....another interne wa actor Jack Soo...known as the NYPD detective on Barney Miler who makes terrible coffe (Barney Miller)...Canada also interred its Japanese residents one of them was actor Robert Ito...

LAStly just was in WorlD war I german immigrants and ethnoc germans in the USA could also be subject to relocation camps merely on Suspision...although not to the same extent as in WW I..one case was Ken Burns series on WW II one anti nazi german was imprisoned for disloyalty because he refused sign a declaration of fighting against germany {his reason was that his mother was still in germany-if he was captured by the germans his mother would have ended up in a KZ Camp) for 3 years he labored building railroads in Dakota states..until he was released 1944-ironically he was not taken into US military Service....because after 3 years of hard labor had made he phyisically unfit a 4F..!


England also followed their policy with its etnic german population even tried to deport German Jewish refugees..and pro Nazi Germans to Canada until the ship was sunk by a U-Boat....

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