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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gooner1 » 25 Mar 2023, 13:59

ljadw wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 09:32
Thus :why should we believe the jubilating titles of our media ?
These 'jubilating titles' must exist in your head only but only a fool would argue that the heavily upgraded M55S isn't a greatly superior tank to a bog standard T54/55 resurrected from some Russian boneyard

"The M-55S is significantly different from its predecessor. The tank received a new gun – a 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 with a thermal insulation jacket, one of the most successful tank guns of all time. The tower and hull were covered with additional reactive armor, which even changed the silhouette of the tank, bringing it closer to modern ones. The M-55S received a digital ballistic computer and gun stabilization, a Fotona SGS-55 sight with a laser rangefinder, a Fotona COMTOS-55 commander’s sight, an improved engine, and new rubber-metal tracks, and even a LIRD-1A laser radiation detector linked to the smoke grenade launcher IS-6.

Yes, it’s not a Leopard 2A7+ or an M1A2 Abrams, but such a tank will come in handy while we’re still waiting for modern western tanks. So thank you, Slovenia!"
https://mezha.media/en/2022/09/20/the-m ... ed-forces/

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 25 Mar 2023, 14:42

Sid Guttridge wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 13:46


Yes, you are right about the dire consequences of not getting 'international recognition'. If you are right, Russia has decades of unnecessary misery ahead.
Just like the 'unnecessary misery' inflicted on Israel, Turkey and Taiwan.


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 25 Mar 2023, 14:49

Gooner1 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 13:59


"The M-55S is significantly different from its predecessor. The tank received a new gun – a 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 with a thermal insulation jacket, one of the most successful tank guns of all time. The tower and hull were covered with additional reactive armor, which even changed the silhouette of the tank, bringing it closer to modern ones. The M-55S received a digital ballistic computer and gun stabilization, a Fotona SGS-55 sight with a laser rangefinder, a Fotona COMTOS-55 commander’s sight, an improved engine, and new rubber-metal tracks, and even a LIRD-1A laser radiation detector linked to the smoke grenade launcher IS-6.
Its magic, just like George Washingtons axe.

Or if you are in The UK Triggers broom.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 25 Mar 2023, 15:51

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gooner1 » 25 Mar 2023, 15:58

The AFU has had some criticism for not withdrawing from Bakhmut,

"Ukraine war: Battle for Bakhmut 'stabilising', says commander

By Kathryn Armstrong
BBC News

The battle for Bakhmut, the Ukrainian city which Russia has spent months trying to capture, is "stabilising", says Ukraine's commander-in-chief.
Valerii Zaluzhnyi said Ukrainian troops' "tremendous efforts" were holding back Russia.

Earlier this month, Western officials estimated between 20,000 and 30,000 Russian troops had been killed or injured in Bakhmut since last summer.
Moscow is eager for a victory after failing to make major recent gains.

Despite this, military analysts believe Bakhmut has little strategic value, with the city's importance now symbolic.

The high number of Russian casualties may be the main reason Ukraine has not withdrawn from the city, analysts say.

On Facebook, Lt Gen Zaluzhnyi said that while the situation on Ukraine's frontlines "is the toughest in the Bakhmut direction... due to the tremendous efforts of the defence forces, we are managing to stabilise the situation".

Lt Gen Zaluzhnyi posted after speaking to the UK's Chief of Defence Staff, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, about the situation in Ukraine.

His comments are the latest positive signal from Ukrainian officials about the long battle for Bakhmut.

The UK's Ministry of Defence said on Saturday that Russia's assault on Bakhmut had "largely stalled", citing "extreme attrition" of the Russian force as a cause, and added that Russia had probably shifted its operational focus to the south and north of Bakhmut.

Such moves might suggest an "overall return to a more defensive operational design" after Russia failed to achieve significant results from its attempts to conduct a general offensive since January, the UK said.

Earlier this week, Oleksandr Syrsky, commander of the country's ground forces, said that Russian troops near Bakhmut were "exhausted".

Mr Syrsky added that while Russia had "not given up hope of taking Bakhmut at all costs despite losses in manpower and equipment... they are losing significant strength".

And Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recently visited the frontline near Bakhmut, where he last visited in December.

Footage showed him in an old warehouse giving medals to soldiers, whom he called "heroes".

The Institute for War, a think tank, said on Thursday that although Ukraine was still outnumbered by the Wagner group, Ukrainian forces "continue to exhaust the mercenaries, which will enable Ukrainian forces to pursue unspecified future offensive operations".

Wagner, a private, mercenary organisation, is at the heart of the Russian assault on Bakhmut. Its leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has staked his reputation on seizing the city.

The MoD said Russia's difficulties in Bakhmut were likely to have been exacerbated by tensions between Wagner and the Russian Ministry of Defence.

About 70,000 people lived in Bakhmut before the invasion, but only a few thousand remain.

For those left behind, including elderly and disabled people, conditions are difficult. Civilians spend almost the whole day in underground shelters because of intense shelling, said the ICRC's Umar Khan, who has been providing them with aid.

Mr Khan said people were being pushed to the very "limits of their existence and survival".

The capture of Bakhmut would bring Russia slightly closer to controlling the whole of Donetsk region, one of four regions in eastern and southern Ukraine illegally annexed by Russia last September."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65072173

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 25 Mar 2023, 15:59

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3531051

Overhead view of parts of Bakhmut with drone.

It appears that they received 'annihilation by hectare' treatment, it's a wasteland now.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Aida1 » 25 Mar 2023, 16:29

ljadw wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 19:40
Aida1 wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 16:34
ljadw wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 09:28
PODS96 wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 01:32
If this war is demonstrating something, it is the absolute rottenness of the European military industry.

How is it possible that European countries cannot supply Ukraine with the necessary equipment to win?

This is the consequence of decades of progressivism.
No it is the consequence of logic : the aim/ mission of NATO has never been to supply Ukraine with the necessary equipment to ''win '' ( what is win ? ) but to defend itself ( = every member of NATO ) against a Soviet attack/ to prevent such an attack .
As Ukraine is not a member of NATO,NATO has no obligation to help Ukraine .
Zelensky should not wine : why was Ukraine not willing to join NATO ?
Perfect idiocy. The ukraine wanted to join. It is the appeasers that did not allow it to join.
NO :after 2014 Ukraine did not ask to become member of NATO .
And there is nothing wrong with appeasement ,unless for GD and Lockheed Martin .
The usual conspirationist nonsense. :roll: :roll:

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Post by Gooner1 » 25 Mar 2023, 16:53

Some 'bromance' :lol:

Agence France-PresseUpdated: March 21, 2023 7:26 pm IST

"China's Xi Invites Ex Soviet Republics Of Central Asia For Summit
The Chinese president extended the offer to the "first China-Central Asia summit", scheduled for May, in similar telegrammes sent on Monday and Tuesday to the leaders of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
China's Xi Jinping this week invited the leaders of the ex-Soviet republics of Central Asia to a first joint summit in China, a bid to boost Beijing's influence in Russia's backyard.

The Chinese president extended the offer to the "first China-Central Asia summit", scheduled for May, in similar telegrams sent on Monday and Tuesday to the leaders of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan and made public by the recipients.

Reclusive Turkmenistan, the top supplier of gas to China, has not yet announced whether it has been invited to the gathering.

The authoritarian republics of Central Asia were part of the Soviet Union and have been dominated by Moscow since the mid-19th century.

But Russia's influence is being challenged, increasingly since the invasion of Ukraine.

Beijing is courting Moscow's traditional allies in the region, both politically and economically -- the latter via projects such as the mammoth road, rail and port infrastructure scheme designed as a modern iteration of the Silk Road through Central Asia and beyond.

Turkey and Western powers are also seeking to bolster their influence in the strategically located mineral-rich region.

In addition to Xi, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, chief European Union diplomat Charles Michel and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken have all beaten a path to Central Asian doors in recent months.

Xi also hosted an online regional summit in January 2022 to celebrate the 30th anniversary of Sino-Central Asian diplomatic relations since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In the four invitations sent out on Monday and Tuesday to mark Nowruz, the Persian New Year, which is celebrated in the region, Xi underlined the strengthening ties between China and the Central Asian regimes.

The missive published by the official Tajik news agency Khovar quotes Xi as saying he is "eager to discuss a grand plan to develop relations" between his country and the region.

However, Beijing's increasing influence is not universally welcomed.

Sections of the population in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, which along with Tajikistan have borders with China, have voiced a degree of concern and opposition. All have Muslim majorities.

These concerns relate particularly to land acquisition by China, government debt owed to Beijing and the latter's brutal treatment of its Muslim Uyghur minority, which is also present in Central Asia."
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-c ... it-3881073

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 25 Mar 2023, 17:09

Gooner1 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 13:59
ljadw wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 09:32
Thus :why should we believe the jubilating titles of our media ?
These 'jubilating titles' must exist in your head only but only a fool would argue that the heavily upgraded M55S isn't a greatly superior tank to a bog standard T54/55 resurrected from some Russian boneyard

"The M-55S is significantly different from its predecessor. The tank received a new gun – a 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 with a thermal insulation jacket, one of the most successful tank guns of all time. The tower and hull were covered with additional reactive armor, which even changed the silhouette of the tank, bringing it closer to modern ones. The M-55S received a digital ballistic computer and gun stabilization, a Fotona SGS-55 sight with a laser rangefinder, a Fotona COMTOS-55 commander’s sight, an improved engine, and new rubber-metal tracks, and even a LIRD-1A laser radiation detector linked to the smoke grenade launcher IS-6.

Yes, it’s not a Leopard 2A7+ or an M1A2 Abrams, but such a tank will come in handy while we’re still waiting for modern western tanks. So thank you, Slovenia!"
https://mezha.media/en/2022/09/20/the-m ... ed-forces/
As usual,you are comparing tanks with other tanks,and that is a very big mistake .
While no one said that an upgraded tank B can not be superior to a non upgraded tank B ,bit their superiority or inferiority depend on countless other factors than upgrading .A non upgraded tank B can have better results than an upgraded tank B and that depends essentially not on the upgrading, but on factors as
mission of the tanks
strength of the opponent
weather
terrain
crew
ammunition
fuel supplies
etc
If the enemy has anti-tank weapons, he will make light work of modern and non modern tanks .
If he has no anti-tank weapons, a big part of the tanks of the opponent will be eliminated by non combat causes .
In June/July 1941 the Soviets lost thousands of tanks, mostly to non combat causes and Soviet KV or even T 34 tanks had not better results than a German Pz3 or Pz4 .
The only way to try to prove the positive qualifications of a tank is to look at the results and these results ( combat and non combat results) are resulting essentially from the points I have mentioned, non on the presence of a new gun or such things .
PS : mezha media is an Ukrainian propaganda media, as reliable as Signal in WW2 . I prefer to look at Tank Historia .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 25 Mar 2023, 17:12

Gooner1 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 16:53
Some 'bromance'
Agence France-Presse............yadda yadda yadda...
The majority of the western press are publishing articles that desperately seek to drive a wedge between Russia & China and to disparage the diplomatic coup of bringing The Saudis and Iranians to the table. Even Syria is on the agenda. That is one of the reason's The US lashed out with its latest round of air attacks. Currently The US is on the side-lines and China is centre stage. The world is changing and 'The West' no longer dictates terms.
If anyone wants to know what the war looks like outside the western bubble there are dozens of eastern/Asian news clips on YouTube and if you watch them you will immediately notice they are the exact opposite of the tone of western reports.
The western media has morphed into Faux News with its blatantly one-sided reporting on the war.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 25 Mar 2023, 17:17

mezsat2 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 02:52
Tom Peters wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 22:45
Yuri wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 08:29

To create new divisions in a short time, a large number of combat training equipment will be required. It is unreasonable to use new military equipment in the training process to train crews and conduct a large number of exercises at different levels: platoon, company, battalion, regiment, division.
Sure, if you want to train crew in basic tank operations like driving and gunnery, you could use the T-54 as a training tank. its better than sitting in a car making tank sounds. However, if you had the choice, wouldnt you be better off using a T-72, something they are more likely to use in battle ? After all there is a fairly big technical gap between a T-54 and a T-72. Comms, autoloader, gunnery sights, etc.
Yuri wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 08:29
Secondly, there is a great need for special armored vehicles, for example, bridge-laying trucks, tow trucks, tanks for clearing terrain, platforms for installing anti-aircraft guns, for example, type 23 mm ZSU-23-2 or 57 mm S-60, etc.
In other forums there are some arguments going on as to the purpose of the T-54. So far as the consensus, the most reasonable use for the T-54 is to convert it to an speciality vehicle, like bridging, or mine-clearing. However, wouldnt that happen at the tank plants in the east ?

Mad Dog
These vintage 50s era Soviet tanks are virtual suicide weapons on the modern battlefield. Each one that is blasted by a single infantryman with an ATGM kills 4 Russians while the tank has done no damage to the AFU. All the TOW missiles coming on the Bradleys will take care of these in short order. These vehicles carry troops, but in reality they are light tanks with decent armor. They destroyed more T-72s in the Iraq war than did Abrams tanks. This is well-documented.
How many have been blasted by a single infantryman with an ATGM ?
How many will be blasted by TOW missiles from Bradleys ? You ''forget '' in both cases that it are the Russians who decide the losses of the T54 : if they do not use the T 54 at a sector of the front where there are Bradleys, what will be the result of the TOWs fired by Bradleys .
And, if the Bradleys destroyed more T-72s in the Iraq war ( how many more ? ) than the Abrams , what is the utility of the Abrams ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 25 Mar 2023, 17:23

mezsat2 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 03:26
The refurbished Leopard 1s heading to Ukraine are in fact far superior to these primitive tanks.

By this time next year, Ukraine will be operating a few hundred of these upgraded machines, besides
the deadly Leopard 2s.
1 They can be far superior only if they fight against the T54 and it is the Russians who will decide that : if the Leo1 is superior to the T54 ,the Russians will not commit the T54 against the Leo1 .
2 There is no proof that next year hundreds of Leo1s will operate in Ukraine and there is no proof that the L2 is deadly ( for whom ?).
3 Superior tanks do not decide a war or a campaign .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by ljadw » 25 Mar 2023, 17:28

Biden is saying that for the moment China is not selling weapons to Russia . If he is right, this means that the hysterical stories from our media are only lies and that Russia does not need Chinese weapons .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Gooner1 » 25 Mar 2023, 17:39

Michael Kenny wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 17:12
The majority of the western press are publishing articles that desperately seek to drive a wedge between Russia & China and to disparage the diplomatic coup of bringing The Saudis and Iranians to the table. Even Syria is on the agenda. That is one of the reason's The US lashed out with its latest round of air attacks. Currently The US is on the side-lines and China is centre stage. The world is changing and 'The West' no longer dictates terms.
If anyone wants to know what the war looks like outside the western bubble there are dozens of eastern/Asian news clips on YouTube and if you watch them you will immediately notice they are the exact opposite of the tone of western reports.
The western media has morphed into Faux News with its blatantly one-sided reporting on the war.
:lol:

Getting a bit upset?

It's not the West that is losing power and influence because of the Ukraine war, it's your Russian chums, as perfectly illustrated by President Xi organising the "first China-Central Asia summit" just a few days after the much propagandized, not least here, meeting with Putin.

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