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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 29 Mar 2023, 00:49

Globalization41 wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 00:29
The Winter War was a stalemate, Ken. The Finns and Russians agreed to stop fighting. Stalin's puppet government was never installed. The Finns remained free. Stalin made peace with Finland in 1940 because he feared British and French intervention. ................ Propaganda later made the Winter War out to be a win for the Russians because the western Allies were allied with the Soviet Union due to Hitler's serial invasions.
Sorry Glob but we appear to be discussing 2 different wars. I am talking about an actual war in 1940 whilst you have some alternate reality' war that I have never ever heard about or seen referenced. .

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 29 Mar 2023, 00:51

waldopepper wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 23:35


Are you saying that ethically there is no difference between a bombing campaign that is designed to minimize civilian casualties and a bombing campaign that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure?
I am talking about the nation that targeted civilian bomb shelters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing


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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by wm » 29 Mar 2023, 01:50

Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting buildings isn't.

Protected structures ("buildings dedicated to religion, art, science, or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals, and places where the sick and wounded are collected") have to be marked by "distinctive and visible signs," and the enemy has to be "notified ... beforehand" about their existence.
As simple as that.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Globalization41 » 29 Mar 2023, 01:53

No need to be sorry Ken. If Kiev ceded the area now occupied by the invaders in exchange for peace, would that mean Ukraine lost the war?

Globalization41.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 29 Mar 2023, 03:00

Michael Kenny wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 02:14
Tom Peters wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 02:00


Wait, China is undergoing this massive naval buildup....but you would have us believe that the US is the warmongering party here ?

Arming yourself to counter a heavily armed rival is 'warmongering'?
Following that logic will you condemn Ukraine for its 'warmongering'?
This is your argument, not mine. Stop arguing with yourself.

The US, nor any other party has any intent to attack or invade China.

China is investing in its fleet, and we both know its aimed at Taiwan.

Mad Dog
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 29 Mar 2023, 03:02

Cult Icon wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 15:03

Zelensky in front of the US congress essentially made Bakhmut his battle of Stalingrad circa Dec 2022. They are throwing everything they can in the Bakhmut direction, because if this strategic city falls the rest of the Donbass cities can be grinded one by one.
In this scenario, wouldnt Putin be Hitler with his Stalingrad obsession ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 29 Mar 2023, 03:03

Michael Kenny wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 02:27

I advise potential respondents to pause first to check up on the definition of 'irony' before their usual Pavlovian response to anything they perceive as less than 100% critical of all things Russia.
It seems many here are completely unacquainted with the concept.
You didnt answer the question...... if you had to invest, would you invest in RU or the US ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Tom Peters » 29 Mar 2023, 03:06

Cult Icon wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 23:18
Peace is in the cards once the Russian forces get drained of their final reserves of skilled manpower, ammunition, and equipment, which is currently happening more rapidly as of late. Their soviet arsenal is getting smaller and smaller and they are becoming more and more reliant on old equipment.
Fixed it for you, comrade.
Cult Icon wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 23:18
Ukrainian gdp/capita doesn't have to drop to $1,000 and then $500 USD per capita, the war can end well before that happens.
I agree. Putin could withdraw his forces tomorrow. Wouldnt that be a good thing ?

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 29 Mar 2023, 03:10

wm wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 01:50
Targeting civilians is a war crime. Targeting buildings isn't.
How does that work when the building is full of civilians?





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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 29 Mar 2023, 03:10

Globalization41 wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 01:53
No need to be sorry Ken.
Ok Glob.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by waldopepper » 29 Mar 2023, 03:16

Michael Kenny wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 00:51
waldopepper wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 23:35


Are you saying that ethically there is no difference between a bombing campaign that is designed to minimize civilian casualties and a bombing campaign that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure?
I am talking about the nation that targeted civilian bomb shelters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing
Your sentence is quite misleading. The article you cited says that the US command knew that the shelter had been used as a civilian bomb shelter but believed it had been converted to a command center and targeted it as such. The US does not knowingly bomb civilian targets but in war mistakes are made. This is a far cry from the Russian pervasive, intentional and repeated targeting of civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Michael Kenny » 29 Mar 2023, 03:25

waldopepper wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 03:16


Your sentence is quite misleading. The article you cited says that the US command knew that the shelter had been used as a civilian bomb shelter but believed it had been converted to a command center and targeted it as such. The US does not knowingly bomb civilian targets but in war mistakes are made. This is a far cry from the Russian pervasive, intentional and repeated targeting of civilian infrastructure in Ukraine.
Mistakes?
Why not use the word invented to sanitise the killing of civilians. Did you not get the message about 'Collaterally Damage?
Have another go and tell us about the Granai airstrike.

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Yuri » 29 Mar 2023, 04:46

Tom Peters wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 03:00
Michael Kenny wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 02:14
Tom Peters wrote:
28 Mar 2023, 02:00


Wait, China is undergoing this massive naval buildup....but you would have us believe that the US is the warmongering party here ?

Arming yourself to counter a heavily armed rival is 'warmongering'?
Following that logic will you condemn Ukraine for its 'warmongering'?
This is your argument, not mine. Stop arguing with yourself.

The US, nor any other party has any intent to attack or invade China.

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It's not intentions that matter, but potential.
Intentions can change every day, for example, depending on which leg you got out of bed in the morning.

I fully admit that in 2003, the United States and Great Britain could have had good intentions - to introduce democracy in Iraq like their own. However, if the United States did not have the potential to intervene in Iraq, then these noble intentions would have remained a pipe dream.

Why should we believe that with the appropriate ratio of the potential levels of the PRC and the USA, the latter will not again have the same noble intentions to introduce democracy in the PRC?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
International politics is not a society of noble maidens.
Tom Peters wrote:
29 Mar 2023, 03:00

China is investing in its fleet, and we both know its aimed at Taiwan.

Mad Dog
How do you know that?
Are you a member of the Politburo of the CPC Central Committee?
Perhaps the PRC is building its aircraft carriers and nuclear icebreakers in order to capture the Northern Sea Route from Russia and seize a short distance to transport its goods to Europe. And to mask these good intentions, they create the impression that they intend to restore sovereignty over the island of Farmosa.
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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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Post by Cult Icon » 29 Mar 2023, 05:06

"Anti-tank and artillery of PMC "Wagner" work on the column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the village of Zaliznyanskoye, on the highway leading from Bakhmut to Slavyansk.

As a result, several armored vehicles and pickups of the Ukrainian army were destroyed, the remaining enemy was turned into flight."

https://vk.com/milinfolive?w=wall-123538639_3538900

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Re: news from Russo-Ukraine Front

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