Id. heavy artillery ammunition

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

An image from Ebay. I think 28cm Küstenhaubitze C07 shell on his ammo cart

Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all

An image from Ebay. 30.5cm Skoda M16 howitzer ammo. I think M15-28 shells, probably

Sturm78

[Zünder]

Hi all

An image from Ebay. 30.5cm Skoda M16 howitzer ammo. I think M15-28 shells, probably

Sturm78

I think i see a fuze in the nose.
So in that case it's a 30,5 cm M35, which had a point and base fuze.

Best regards,

Zünder

[T. A. Gardner]

Hi all,

French artillery ammo. 155mm Schneider howitzer shells ??

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

Given the presence of a Maginot Line bunker behind the shells, my guess would be 135mm howitzer rounds likely being unloaded following the fall of France to demilitarize the bunker.

[Sturm78]

Zünder wrote
I think i see a fuze in the nose.
So in that case it's a 30,5 cm M35, which had a point and base fuze.

Thank you for your answer, Zünder

T. A. Gardner wrote
Given the presence of a Maginot Line bunker behind the shells, my guess would be 135mm howitzer rounds likely being unloaded following the fall of France to demilitarize the bunker.

Thank you, T. A. Gardner. It is possible that you are right as 135mm howitzers armed many Maginot Line bunkers

Regards
Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can somebody identify these artillery shells ?'

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[Zünder]

Hi all,

Can somebody identify these artillery shells ?'

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

I think Czech 10,5 cm Vz.35/German s. 10,5 cm K35 (t).
Shell looks like a semi-armourpriercing HE shell, 10,5 cm Halbpanzergranate 327 (j) in german, i don't know the Czech name (yet).

Best regards,

Zünder.

[Sturm78]

Thank you Zünder

I suppose that you refer to the shells in the background of the image.
Any idea about the shell in the foreground in vertical position?

Regards
Sturm78

[Zünder]

Thank you Zünder

I suppose that you refer to the shells in the background of the image.
Any idea about the shell in the foreground in vertical position?

Regards
Sturm78

@Sturm, all the shells i see in that picture look like the same semi-armour piercing type.
All other shelltypes for this gun have a distinctly visible PD fuze.
There's only shell with this particular shape, the semi-AP.

Best regards,

Zünder

[T. A. Gardner]

Thank you Zünder

I suppose that you refer to the shells in the background of the image.
Any idea about the shell in the foreground in vertical position?

Regards
Sturm78

It's most likely that the vertical shell in the foreground is the exact same type as those behind it. Two-piece ammunition isn't all that uncommon where you are loading the shell and the powder casing separately to achieve a weight balance where the components aren't overly heavy. If the shells were 10.5cm they'd weigh somewhere around 15 to 17 kg and the case say, around 10 kg. So instead of trying to load a single, complete round weighing 25 to 30 kg, you are now loading two manageable pieces with little or no increase in loading time

[Sturm78]

Zünder wrote
@Sturm, all the shells i see in that picture look like the same semi-armour piercing type.
All other shelltypes for this gun have a distinctly visible PD fuze.
There's only shell with this particular shape, the semi-AP.

T. A. Gardner wrote
It's most likely that the vertical shell in the foreground is the exact same type as those behind it. Two-piece ammunition isn't all that uncommon where you are loading the shell and the powder casing separately to achieve a weight balance where the components aren't overly heavy. If the shells were 10.5cm they'd weigh somewhere around 15 to 17 kg and the case say, around 10 kg. So instead of trying to load a single, complete round weighing 25 to 30 kg, you are now loading two manageable pieces with little or no increase in loading time

Well, I thought that the shell in the foreground in vertical position was a one-piece ammunition shell with the projectile and the casing attached, unlike the projectiles in the background of the image, which were clearly two-piece ammunition.....

Regards
Sturm78

[T. A. Gardner]

Zünder wrote
@Sturm, all the shells i see in that picture look like the same semi-armour piercing type.
All other shelltypes for this gun have a distinctly visible PD fuze.
There's only shell with this particular shape, the semi-AP.

T. A. Gardner wrote
It's most likely that the vertical shell in the foreground is the exact same type as those behind it. Two-piece ammunition isn't all that uncommon where you are loading the shell and the powder casing separately to achieve a weight balance where the components aren't overly heavy. If the shells were 10.5cm they'd weigh somewhere around 15 to 17 kg and the case say, around 10 kg. So instead of trying to load a single, complete round weighing 25 to 30 kg, you are now loading two manageable pieces with little or no increase in loading time

Well, I thought that the shell in the foreground in vertical position was a one-piece ammunition shell with the projectile and the casing attached, unlike the projectiles in the background of the image, which were clearly two-piece ammunition.....

Regards
Sturm78

I think the one in the foreground is the assembled round as you would see it in the gun when loaded.

[Sturm78]

T.A. Gardner wrote
I think the one in the foreground is the assembled round as you would see it in the gun when loaded.

Well, I am not expert about ammunition. It is very possibly that you are right,,, but I think that the projectile in the foreground seems shorter than those in the background.
I think that the two-piece separate ammo wasn`t "assembled" when loaded in the gun, but rather simply loaded separately, first the projectile and then the casing, which would be together in the interior of the gun but not joined.....

Here, an image from Ebay of the separate ammo of a 10cm K18 gun

Regards
Sturm78

[Zünder]

Indeed the K35 9t) was a seperate loader.
See:
download/file.php?id=326324&mode=view
download/file.php?id=291465&mode=view
I agree with T.A. Gardner that all shells are the same type, including the one on the case.

Anybody know the H.Dv. 481 number for the s.10,5 cm K. 35 (t) ammunition? I've never been able to track that one down.

Best regards,

Zünder

[T. A. Gardner]

T.A. Gardner wrote
I think the one in the foreground is the assembled round as you would see it in the gun when loaded.

Well, I am not expert about ammunition. It is very possibly that you are right,,, but I think that the projectile in the foreground seems shorter than those in the background.
I think that the two-piece separate ammo wasn`t "assembled" when loaded in the gun, but rather simply loaded separately, first the projectile and then the casing, which would be together in the interior of the gun but not joined.....

Here, an image from Ebay of the separate ammo of a 10cm K18 gun

Regards
Sturm78

Given the shells in the picture are boattailed, and the position of the driving band, I'd say the powder casing presses up against the rear of that band when loaded forming a partial seal between the shell and casing to ensure the gas on firing pushes the shell into the rifling and forming a seal as it does rather than having some of it leak around the driving band before it seats into the rifling of the gun.