Did any German units cross over the Volga?

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Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by headwest » 01 Nov 2022 16:46

Hi Everyone

I was just doing some google earth stuff over Volgograd and I just wondered

Did any German units do any type of scouting or cross over the river anywhere around Stalingrad? north or south of the city?

I have not been able to find anything but thought they might have done something like that when they arrived or soon thereafter

thanks much!

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by dgfred » 04 Nov 2022 19:09

IIRC had units just looking over the river with Arty covering the crossings.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by headwest » 14 Nov 2022 14:53

cool, thanks for the info, i figured i would have read or heard if any had actually crossed the volga

thanks!

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by dgfred » 05 Jan 2023 17:03

I recently found a picture of members of the 94th Inf Div close to the 'Metro Cafe' and the monument to pilot Kholzunov... right next to the Volga in the center of Stalingrad. I will try to find it again.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by bradpit » 26 May 2023 02:53

none of german unit cross the volga river,because around the city there still many soviet troops ,they always conuter-attack during the whole compaign
period. the most east point is capsian sea,Astrakhan direction

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by Rian » 21 Jun 2023 17:03

the most east point is capsian sea,Astrakhan direction
This point was the railroad near town Kizlar - around 60 km from Caspian Sea.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 05 Jul 2023 02:32

The Volga in the region of Stalingrad is far too wide to effect a decent bridgehead
on the left bank. It's not a whole lot different from the English Channel. The Luftwaffe
should have been ordered to completely destroy the ferry landings and Soviet artillery
on that side.

Instead, they killed 40,000 civilians and created excellent defensive positions for
the Red Army inside the city.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by bradpit » 05 Jul 2023 03:18

from general Chuikov's memory, german soldiers heavily rely on panzers & dive bombers, in close combat, the two most powerful weapons are useless, i
puzzle none of the professional german commanders realized this point? luftwaffe created excellent defensive positions for
the Red Army inside the city , it was too late according von Richthofen‘s idea, five sapper battlions jion the final assault. germans should dig trench net to minor the casualties. instead attack the ruins forest directly..

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 16 Jul 2023 04:16

bradpit wrote:
05 Jul 2023 03:18
from general Chuikov's memory, german soldiers heavily rely on panzers & dive bombers, in close combat, the two most powerful weapons are useless, i
puzzle none of the professional german commanders realized this point? luftwaffe created excellent defensive positions for
the Red Army inside the city , it was too late according von Richthofen‘s idea, five sapper battlions jion the final assault. germans should dig trench net to minor the casualties. instead attack the ruins forest directly..
The entire attack was flawed and doomed to fail, regardless. German supply lines were far overstretched while Kleist was meandering around in the Caucasus searching for destroyed oil wells. Which, even if they were discovered intact, there would be no way to transport the oil back to the Reich for refinement.

The Luftwaffe, once in range, should have simply destroyed the facilities in Baku to deny them to Stalin. The British considered this as well, not to deny Stalin, but Hitler.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by Adonnus » 20 Jul 2023 14:02

mezsat2 wrote:
16 Jul 2023 04:16
The entire attack was flawed and doomed to fail, regardless. German supply lines were far overstretched while Kleist was meandering around in the Caucasus searching for destroyed oil wells. Which, even if they were discovered intact, there would be no way to transport the oil back to the Reich for refinement.

The Luftwaffe, once in range, should have simply destroyed the facilities in Baku to deny them to Stalin. The British considered this as well, not to deny Stalin, but Hitler.
And did they not have the capacity to attack Baku or did Hitler simply not want to (thinking he would need it intact)?

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 23 Jul 2023 16:25

Adonnus wrote:
20 Jul 2023 14:02
mezsat2 wrote:
16 Jul 2023 04:16
The entire attack was flawed and doomed to fail, regardless. German supply lines were far overstretched while Kleist was meandering around in the Caucasus searching for destroyed oil wells. Which, even if they were discovered intact, there would be no way to transport the oil back to the Reich for refinement.

The Luftwaffe, once in range, should have simply destroyed the facilities in Baku to deny them to Stalin. The British considered this as well, not to deny Stalin, but Hitler.
And did they not have the capacity to attack Baku or did Hitler simply not want to (thinking he would need it intact)?
Oh yes, the Luftwaffe in August of 41 was in perfect position to completely annihilate Baku and all it's installations. Many good airfields were ready in the Kuban and eastwards to provide the total extinction of Stalin's oil supplies. Instead, they chose to attack Stalingrad for no actual reason.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 23 Jul 2023 16:26

mezsat2 wrote:
23 Jul 2023 16:25
Adonnus wrote:
20 Jul 2023 14:02
mezsat2 wrote:
16 Jul 2023 04:16
The entire attack was flawed and doomed to fail, regardless. German supply lines were far overstretched while Kleist was meandering around in the Caucasus searching for destroyed oil wells. Which, even if they were discovered intact, there would be no way to transport the oil back to the Reich for refinement.

The Luftwaffe, once in range, should have simply destroyed the facilities in Baku to deny them to Stalin. The British considered this as well, not to deny Stalin, but Hitler.
And did they not have the capacity to attack Baku or did Hitler simply not want to (thinking he would need it intact)?
Oh yes, the Luftwaffe in August of 42 was in perfect position to completely annihilate Baku and all it's installations. Many good airfields were ready in the Kuban and eastwards to provide the total extinction of Stalin's oil supplies. Instead, they chose to attack Stalingrad for no actual reason.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 23 Jul 2023 19:26

mezsat2 wrote:
23 Jul 2023 16:25
Adonnus wrote:
20 Jul 2023 14:02
mezsat2 wrote:
16 Jul 2023 04:16
The entire attack was flawed and doomed to fail, regardless. German supply lines were far overstretched while Kleist was meandering around in the Caucasus searching for destroyed oil wells. Which, even if they were discovered intact, there would be no way to transport the oil back to the Reich for refinement.

The Luftwaffe, once in range, should have simply destroyed the facilities in Baku to deny them to Stalin. The British considered this as well, not to deny Stalin, but Hitler.
And did they not have the capacity to attack Baku or did Hitler simply not want to (thinking he would need it intact)?
Oh yes, the Luftwaffe in August of 42 was in perfect position to completely annihilate Baku and all it's installations. Many good airfields were ready in the Kuban and eastwards to provide the total extinction of Stalin's oil supplies. Instead, they chose to attack Stalingrad for no actual reason.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 23 Jul 2023 19:31

Hindsight is 20/20. I know, but Hitler should have seized Malta and put all his forces into driving through to the Middle East, where they were most hospitable to his anti-jewish policies. He could have seized half the world's oil there with little problem.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 23 Jul 2023 19:51

Were Rommel reinforced with 2 panzerarmees, he could have driven straight into Iraq and Saudi Arabia with minimal resistance. Once the oil is secured, Hitler can fuel his armies.

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