IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

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IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 14 Apr 2023 05:10

In regard to Pearl harbor page IJN aircraft losses:
Kaga:
Val AII-250 Lt. Saburo Makino and CPO Sueo Sukkia -shot down by George Welch and crashed at 711 Neal Avenue, Wahiawa
https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id


Kate ALL-356 seriel 3178 Lt. Mimori Suzuki; Yoshiharu Machimoto; Tsuneki Morita. Torpedo exploded after being hit by ak ak. Plane recovered by US NAvy
https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=11648
See David Aiken message Number 19 viewtopic.php?t=80865&start=15
Hiryu
D3A BII-214 Isamu Kiyomura and Yoshio Shunuzu
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crashed Aira Heights ?
see https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ai ... frontcover
refernce only

Crew buried near plane {2014 David Aiken letter to me)

D3A BII-233 crashed near Ewa Beach
Crew buried at site {2014 letter from David Aiken to me]

Crew is mentioned at
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ai ... frontcover
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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 14 Apr 2023 15:38

Before I Forget

David Aiken wrote 2 articles
one was in the 50 Anniversary of Pearl harbor in Flight magazine
regarding the torpedo planes lost against Battleship row
The second was Flight Magazine June 2007 regarding the dogfights of
taylor and Welch and how many planes they shot down/damaged

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by ShindenKai » 14 Apr 2023 19:29

LAstryAGAIN wrote:
14 Apr 2023 05:10
Kate ALL-356 seriel 3178 Lt. Mimori Suzuki; Yoshiharu Machimoto; Tsuneki Morita. Torpedo exploded after being hit by ak ak. Plane recovered by US NAvy
https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=11648
See David Aiken message Number 19 viewtopic.php?t=80865&start=15


I'm surprised there was that much left of the Kate if the torpedo exploded while it was still attached. Great info!

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 15 Apr 2023 02:06

Well AII-356 was pretty broken up when the Navy salvaged it......

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by ShindenKai » 22 Apr 2023 23:09

LAstryAGAIN wrote:
15 Apr 2023 02:06
Well AII-356 was pretty broken up when the Navy salvaged it......
Yes, and one would expect there to be a LOT less to salvage if the torpedo had actually exploded while attached.

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by LineDoggie » 23 Apr 2023 01:48

ShindenKai wrote:
14 Apr 2023 19:29
LAstryAGAIN wrote:
14 Apr 2023 05:10
Kate ALL-356 seriel 3178 Lt. Mimori Suzuki; Yoshiharu Machimoto; Tsuneki Morita. Torpedo exploded after being hit by ak ak. Plane recovered by US NAvy
https://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=11648
See David Aiken message Number 19 viewtopic.php?t=80865&start=15


I'm surprised there was that much left of the Kate if the torpedo exploded while it was still attached. Great info!
Doesn't mean the Warhead Detonated

remember their torpedoes had highly compressed Oxygen fuel for the engines, the oxygen tank was almost the same length as the warhead itself in the type 91 model 2. a Hit detonating the oxygen tank would have been slightly less catastrophic than the Warheads HE filler.

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by JeffD » 25 Apr 2023 03:26

The Type 91 ran on compressed air. It was the Type 93 (surface ships) and Type 95 (submarines) that ran on oxygen.

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by fontessa » 25 Apr 2023 15:57

JeffD wrote:
25 Apr 2023 03:26
The Type 91 ran on compressed air. It was the Type 93 (surface ships) and Type 95 (submarines) that ran on oxygen.
Addition;
Type 94 (large land-based bombers)
Only 95 torpedoes were produced.

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 10 Aug 2023 16:17

Updates :milwink: :thumbsup:
29 planes lost
1st wave 5 torpedo planes {1 from Akagil 4 from Kaga] ; 3 Zeros [1 Akagi; 2 Kaga ] 1 dive bomber [Shokaku]
Kaga Kate Torpedo plane AII-35 shot down by seaplane tender Avocet; crashed on Naval Hospital grounds
Kaga Kate Torpedo Plane AII-356 [Mimori Suzuki;Yoshiharu Machimoto; Tsuneki Morita] shot down over southeast Loch when ack-ack blew up Torpedo; Pilot beheaded by explosion {plane and remains of 3 crew recovered] A film clip of one of the crew floating face down in water can be seen on "Victory At Sea" Series[see previous entry]
Akagi Zero AI-154 [Takeshi Horano] shot down and crashed into Fort Kamehameha ordance Machine shop
Kaga Zero damaged over Hickmam Field crashed south of Ewa Field
Shokaku VAL EI-239[Kunio Iwatsuki; Tetsusaburo Kumakura] had trouble flying and crashed into the sea {for more details see https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/202981]

2nd wave 6 zeros [1 Hiryu; 2 kaga 3 Soryu;] 14 dive bombers [2 HIryo 2 Soryu 4 Akagi 6 Kaga ]
Soryu Zero B1-151 [Lt Fusata Iida] damaged on a strafing run and crashed into ground
After his combat with ALL-250 Welch shot down a Zero off Barber's Point
US Pilots Harry Brown and Mike Moore each shot down a zero {Both found in Hawaii Sea Channel years later]
Hiryo Zero BI-120 [Shigenori Nishikaichi] damaged and crashed Niihau; Pilot killed in "BAttle of Niihau"
Akagi Val was damaged by flack and crashed into Seaplane tender "Curtis"
Akagi Val AI-211 [Gen Gato; Michiji Utsugi] attacked by George Welch those plane was damaged by rear gunner; Ken taylor mortally wounded rear gunner and forced plane to crash east of Barbers Point. Pilot killed in gunfight with 55th Coast Artillery Regiment
Hiryo VAl BII-214 [Isamu Kiyomura; Yosiho Shimizu] shot down while diving on USS Maryland and crashed into macadima Nut grove
Hiryo Val BII-233 [Koreyoshi Sotoyama; Majime Murao] shot down by George Welch and Ken Taylor southwest of Ewa Field [by coincidence this plane crashed on same place where USS Enterprise SBD {John Voigt and Sidney Pierce] had been shot down by IJN fighters.
Kaga VAL AII-250 [Saburo Makino; Sueo Sukida] shot down by George Welch at 711 Neal Ave Wahiawa next to Wheeler Field
Kaga VAl [ Iwao Oka ] reportab ly shot down by Ken Taylor and also crashed near VAL AII-250
Soryu Val {Wingman to Lt Cdr Takashige Egusa] was shot down by flack while trying to attak "New Orleans"
Soryu Val [Satoru Kawasaki] shot down by John Dains ironically Dains was a victium of Friendly Fire

A IJM Plane was shot down at Beckoning Point

Note at least 74 planes damaged as well; examples On his 1st sortie George Welch attacked a Val [Hiroyasu Kawabata] and claimed it shot down-in fact plane made it back to carrier with one fuel tank streaming; his second claim was on VAL AI-211 (See above]
Lt Lewis Sanders damaged Soryu Zero [Lt Iyozo Fujita]
IJN loses were 55 airmen and 29 planes; the late David Aiken on the 50 anniversary of PH wrote a article on first 9 planes losses for a war magaine-he also added the fact that a IJN airman FPO 3/C Akira Okura was so badly wounded in PH attack he was obliged to retire from IJN service
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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by Richard Anderson » 10 Aug 2023 19:17

In addition to the 29 DNR losses, of the 115 damaged in the attack, 29 were written off and discarded. So total losses were 58.
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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by LAstryAGAIN » 10 Aug 2023 21:13

Thanks..In Walter Lord Day of Infany he remarks of 1 IJN Plane {Possibly a Val- as it is described as having a crew) which just made it its carriers before going down in sea {Crew rescued]

Links of Interest
David Aiken had a pretty good website on Pearl harbor attack
Jim Lansdale also has a good website on Pearl harbor attack at J Aircraft forum
https://4ewanews.blogspot.com/2014/11/j ... crash.html
http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/ind ... topic_post
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/artic ... rl-harbor/

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by fontessa » 13 Aug 2023 17:52

LAstryAGAIN wrote:
10 Aug 2023 16:17
2nd wave
14 dive bombers [2 HIryo 2 Soryu 4 Akagi 6 Kaga ]
Akagi Val was damaged by flack and crashed into Seaplane tender "Curtis"
Akagi Val AI-211 [Gen Gato; Michiji Utsugi] attacked by George Welch those plane was damaged by rear gunner; Ken taylor mortally wounded rear gunner and forced plane to crash east of Barbers Point. Pilot killed in gunfight with 55th Coast Artillery Regiment
Hiryo VAl BII-214 [Isamu Kiyomura; Yosiho Shimizu] shot down while diving on USS Maryland and crashed into macadima Nut grove
Hiryo Val BII-233 [Koreyoshi Sotoyama; Majime Murao] shot down by George Welch and Ken Taylor southwest of Ewa Field [by coincidence this plane crashed on same place where USS Enterprise SBD {John Voigt and Sidney Pierce] had been shot down by IJN fighters.
Kaga VAL AII-250 [Saburo Makino; Sueo Sukida] shot down by George Welch at 711 Neal Ave Wahiawa next to Wheeler Field
Kaga VAl [ Iwao Oka ] reportab ly shot down by Ken Taylor and also crashed near VAL AII-250
Soryu Val {Wingman to Lt Cdr Takashige Egusa] was shot down by flack while trying to attak "New Orleans"
Soryu Val [Satoru Kawasaki] shot down by John Dains ironically Dains was a victium of Friendly Fire
2nd wave Val's loss. (Their formation positions are shown in parentheses.)
The source is the Senshi Sosho Vol.10.
Sryu
FPO3 Kawasaki Satoru / FPO1 Takahashi Ryoichi (3rd Plane / 21st Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO3 Maruyama Kenji / FPO2 Kuwahara Hideyasu (3rd Plane / 22md Platoon / 1st Squadron)
Hiryu
FPO2 Toyama Koreyoshi / AM1 Murao Hajime (3rd Plane / 23rd Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO2 Kiyomura Isamu / FPO2 Shimizu Yoshio (2nd Plane / 26th Platoon / 1st Squadron)
Akagi
FPO2 Ota Seiichi / SFPO Oyama Toshio (1st Plame / 23rd Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO3 Homma Kinsuke / FPO2 Kinoshita Hirokichi (2nd Plame / 23rd Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO1 Shimakura Chuji / FPO2 Sakamoto Kiyoshi (3rd Plane / 23rd Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO2 Goto Gen / FPO2 Utsugi Michiji (2nd Plane / 25th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
Kaga
LT Makino Saburo / SFPO Sukita Sueo (1st Plane / 21st Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO2 Hirata Fumio / FPO3 Bando Toshiaki (3rd Plane / 21st Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO1 Oka Iwao / FPO3 Minamisaki Tsuneo (3rd Plane / 22nd Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO2 Tsuda Nobuo / FPO1 Imai Fukumitsu (2nd Plane / 24th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
FPO3 Sakaguchi Noboru / FPO3 Asahi Nagaaki (3rd Plane / 24th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
FPO3 Onikura Narinori / FPO1 Kuwahata Kazuyoshi (2nd Plane / 29th Platoon / 3rd Squadron)

Abbreviations
SFPO: Senior Flight Petty Officer
FPO1: 1st Flight Petty Officer
FPO2: 2nd Flight Petty Officer
FPO3: 3rd Flight Petty Officer
AM1: 1st Airman

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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by fontessa » 13 Aug 2023 19:12

LAstryAGAIN wrote:
10 Aug 2023 16:17
1st wave 5 torpedo planes {1 from Akagil 4 from Kaga]
Kaga Kate Torpedo plane AII-35 shot down by seaplane tender Avocet; crashed on Naval Hospital grounds
Kaga Kate Torpedo Plane AII-356 [Mimori Suzuki;Yoshiharu Machimoto; Tsuneki Morita] shot down over southeast Loch when ack-ack blew up Torpedo; Pilot beheaded by explosion {plane and remains of 3 crew recovered] A film clip of one of the crew floating face down in water can be seen on "Victory At Sea" Series[see previous entry]
1st wave Kate loss. (Their formation positions are shown in parentheses.)
The source is the Senshi Sosho Vol.10.
Kaga
AM1 Kitahara Shuzo / AM1 Shimizu Yoshio / FPO2 Onishi Toshio (3rd Plane / 42nd Platoon / 1st Squadron)
LT Suzuki Mimori / SFPO Morita Tsuneki / FPO2 Machimoto Yoshiharu (1st Plane / 44th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
FPO2 Kumamoto Kenichi / FPO2 Matsuda Isamu / FPO2 Umezu Yoshio (3rd Plane / 44th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
AM1 Ohashi Narikatsu / FPO2 Masuda Kichizo / FPO2 Takeda Hidemi (2nd Plane / 45th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
FPO2 Nagai Izumi / FPO1 Ueda Yonetaro / FPO1 Takeda Tomoji (3rd Plane / 45th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)

Abbreviations
SFPO: Senior Flight Petty Officer
FPO1: 1st Flight Petty Officer
FPO2: 2nd Flight Petty Officer
FPO3: 3rd Flight Petty Officer
AM1: 1st Airman


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Re: IJN Aircraft losses 7 December 1941

Post by fontessa » 14 Aug 2023 00:10

LAstryAGAIN wrote:
10 Aug 2023 16:17
1st wave
3 Zeros [1 Akagi; 2 Kaga ]
Akagi Zero AI-154 [Takeshi Horano] shot down and crashed into Fort Kamehameha ordance Machine shop
Kaga Zero damaged over Hickmam Field crashed south of Ewa Field

2nd wave
6 zeros [1 Hiryu; 2 kaga 3 Soryu;]
After his combat with ALL-250 Welch shot down a Zero off Barber's Point
US Pilots Harry Brown and Mike Moore each shot down a zero {Both found in Hawaii Sea Channel years later]
Hiryo Zero BI-120 [Shigenori Nishikaichi] damaged and crashed Niihau; Pilot killed in "BAttle of Niihau"
A IJM Plane was shot down at Beckoning Point


Lt Lewis Sanders damaged Soryu Zero [Lt Iyozo Fujita]
IJN loses were 55 airmen and 29 planes; the late David Aiken on the 50 anniversary of PH wrote a article on first 9 planes losses for a war magaine-he also added the fact that a IJN airman FPO 3/C Akira Okura was so badly wounded in PH attack he was obliged to retire from IJN service
1st wave Zero loss. (Their formation positions are shown in parentheses.)
The source is the Senshi Sosho Vol.10.
Akagi
FPO1 Hirano ??? (2nd Plane / 1st Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
Kaga
FPO2 Sano Seinoshin (3rd Plane / 11th Platoon / 1st Squadron)
FPO2 Hata Toru (2nd Plane / 13th Platoon / 1st Squadron)
2nd wave Zero loss. (Their formation positions are shown in parentheses.)
The source is the Senshi Sosho Vol.10.
Kaga
FPO1 Inamizu Tomio (2nd Plane / 15th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
SFPO Goshima Ippei (1st Plane / 16th Platoon / 2nd Squadron)
Soryu
LT Takada Fusao (1st Plane / 1st Platoon / 3rd Squadron)
FPO1 Atsumi Shun (2nd Plane / 1st Platoon / 3rd Squadron)
FPO2 Ishii Saburo (3rd Plane / 1st Platoon / 3rd Squadron)
Hiryu
FPO1 Nishigaichi Shigenori (2nd Plane / 12th Platoon / 4th Squadron)

Abbreviations
SFPO: Senior Flight Petty Officer
FPO1: 1st Flight Petty Officer
FPO2: 2nd Flight Petty Officer
FPO3: 3rd Flight Petty Officer
AM1: 1st Airman

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