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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 03 Oct 2023 18:53

graveland wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:48
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:40
No, I meant help me with these questions and writing in red (see below).
Ah, ok.

As you said, the Großherzoglich Sachsen-Weimarischer Hausorden der Wachsamkeit oder vom weißen Falken did not have the "Krone" as a separate distinction like the "Schwertern.

20.03.1941: Komturkreuz des Ordens von der Krone Italiens
Please help with all 9 questions (not just the ones pointed by the arrows) :wink:
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by graveland » 03 Oct 2023 18:56

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
03 Oct 2023 18:53
Komtur Kreuz der ungarischen Verdienstordens (22. 08. 1938) (did I write the class of the award correctly?)
Yes, you did.
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
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??? (what does it say at the bottom?)
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Sorry, I don't know.

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by askropp » 04 Oct 2023 14:05

"Weitere im neuen Bogen."
There are times in history when staying neutral means taking sides.

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Re: Database of Kriegsmarine Admirals

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 04 Oct 2023 14:18

Thank you Albert.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 06 Oct 2023 09:30

askropp, please update Löwisch's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Please also delete all the text at the bottom of his list: "Since Löwisch was the Naval-Attaché at the German Embassy in Rome...".


Vizeadmiral Werner Löwisch (1894-1971) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182560&hi ... h#p2182560

-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (08. 09. 1915)
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (25. 09. 1919)
-U-Bootskriegsabzeichen (1918) (08. 09. 1918)
-Ritterkreuz II. Klasse des Großherzoglich Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenachischen Hausordens der Wachsamkeit oder vom Weißen Falken mit Schwertern (01. 11. 1920)
-Deutsches Reichssportabzeichen
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (30. 01. 1935)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung IV. bis II. Klasse (02. 10. 1936)
-Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung I. Klasse (01. 04. 1937)
-Kommandeurkreuz des Königlich Ungarischen Verdienstordens (20. 08. 1938)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an die Heimkehr des Memellandes (26. 10. 1939)
-Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938 (20. 12. 1939)
-Komturkreuz des Königlichen Ordens der Krone von Italien (20. 03. 1941)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (20. 04. 1941)
-Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz II. Klasse
-Spange (1939) zum Eisernen Kreuz I. Klasse
-Ritterkreuz des Königlich Italienischen Militärordens vom Savoyen (28. 02. 1943)
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Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 06 Oct 2023 09:57

Wilhelm Friedrich von Loewenfeld doesn't have a Personalakte. However, I will add some award dates from the Seeoffiziere Gesamtliste.
By the way, von Loewenfeld did NOT have the Königlich Preußische Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille (Zentenarmedaille) 1897 because he joined the Navy on 07. 04. 1897. This was too late to receive this medal.

askropp, please update von Loewenfeld's awards. Just copy-paste the list below. I highlighted the changes in blue but you can keep the text black.
Keep the text that is currently written at the bottom of his award list (on the link).


Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182594&hi ... d#p2182594

Orden und Auszeichnungen:
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse
-Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse
-Königlich Preußische Rettungsmedaille am Bande (14. 11. 1903)
-Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See I. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen (19. 11. 1910)
-Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (05. 08. 1912)
-Krone zum Königlich Preußischer Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (07. 06. 1913)
-Königlich Griechischer Ritter des goldenen Kreuzes des Erlöserordens (09. 06. 1914)
-Ehrenritter des Königlich Preußischen Johanniter-Ordens (10. 08. 1914)
-Ritterkreuz I. Klasse des Königlich Sächsischen Albrechts-Ordens mit Schwertern
-Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Bremisches Hanseatenkreuz
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz II. Klasse
-Großherzoglich Oldenburgisches Friedrich August-Kreuz I. Klasse
-Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern
-Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) II. und I. Stufe
-Bewährungsabzeichen der III. Marine-Brigade von Loewenfeld II. und I. Klasse
-Königlich Preußisches Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
-Rechtsritter des Königlich Preußischen Johanniter-Ordens
-Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer
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Re: Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946)

Post by graveland » 06 Oct 2023 15:05

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06 Oct 2023 09:57

Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182594&hi ... d#p2182594

-Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern
-Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) II. und I. Stufe
-Bewährungsabzeichen der III. Marine-Brigade von Loewenfeld II. und I. Klasse
There is no documentary or photographic evidence for these ones, right?

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Re: Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 06 Oct 2023 15:10

graveland wrote:
06 Oct 2023 15:05
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
06 Oct 2023 09:57

Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182594&hi ... d#p2182594

-Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern
-Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) II. und I. Stufe
-Bewährungsabzeichen der III. Marine-Brigade von Loewenfeld II. und I. Klasse
There is no documentary or photographic evidence for these ones, right?
That's right. But I am 100% sure he was awarded all of these awards.
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Re: Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946)

Post by graveland » 06 Oct 2023 15:14

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
06 Oct 2023 15:10
graveland wrote:
06 Oct 2023 15:05
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
06 Oct 2023 09:57

Char. Vizeadmiral Wilhelm Friedrich (Wilfried) von Loewenfeld (1879-1946) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2182594&hi ... d#p2182594

-Ehren-und Erinnerungskreuz des Marinekorps Flandern
-Schlesisches Bewährungsabzeichen (Schlesischer Adler) II. und I. Stufe
-Bewährungsabzeichen der III. Marine-Brigade von Loewenfeld II. und I. Klasse
There is no documentary or photographic evidence for these ones, right?
That's right. But I am 100% sure he was awarded all of these awards.
Thank you, Karlo.

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Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 12:12

Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

1st photo below:

- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) II. Klasse (27. 04. 1916)
- Eisernes Kreuz (1914) I. Klasse (29. 04. 1918)
- U-Bootskriegsabzeichen
- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914/1918 mit Schwertern für Frontkämpfer (30. 01. 1935)
- Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (01. 11. 1918)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) II. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1941)
- Kriegsverdienstkreuz (1939) I. Klasse mit Schwertern (30. 01. 1942)
- Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz (01. 11. 1918)
- Deutsches Kreuz in Silber (11. 03. 1945)

1. In the 3rd photo below is the photographic evidence Lohmann received the Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See III. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen. Do you agree the class is the "III. Klasse"?

2. In the 4th photo below I posted some close-ups of Lohmann's ribbon bar. The four ribbons after the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung are all unknown, foreign awards. Please help me ID them. See here for a previous discussion on his ribbon bar: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=238107

A: one coloured plain ribbon, perhaps the Ungarischer Verdienstorden?
B: Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See? Do you agree?
C: peculiar ribbon with one black stripe?
D: Cartaphilus and Thierry said before this could be the Orden der Krone von Italien. I agree. One crown (depending if it was Silver or Gold) would indicate the "Offizierskreuz" or "Komturkreuz" class. I think the class is (looking at Lohmann's rank) the "Komturkreuz". Do you agree?
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by graveland » 07 Oct 2023 12:57

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Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

1. In the 3rd photo below is the photographic evidence Lohmann received the Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See III. Klasse mit weißem Abzeichen. Do you agree the class is the "III. Klasse"?
Yes, I do.

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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by graveland » 07 Oct 2023 14:12

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07 Oct 2023 12:12
Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

2. In the 4th photo below I posted some close-ups of Lohmann's ribbon bar. The four ribbons after the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung are all unknown, foreign awards. Please help me ID them. See here for a previous discussion on his ribbon bar: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=238107

B: Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See? Do you agree?

No, I don't.

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 12:12
C: peculiar ribbon with one black stripe?

This is the Baltenkreuz.

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 12:12
D: Cartaphilus and Thierry said before this could be the Orden der Krone von Italien. I agree. One crown (depending if it was Silver or Gold) would indicate the "Offizierskreuz" or "Komturkreuz" class. I think the class is (looking at Lohmann's rank) the "Komturkreuz". Do you agree?
This is the Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See.

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Admiral Kurt Fricke and Admiral Karlgeorg Schuster

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 14:19

I found an explanation for Fricke's and Schuster's Orden der Stern von Rumänien I. Klasse. They were both awarded ONLY the "I. Klasse" of this order, and NOT also the "Großkreuz". This is because, instead of later being awarded the higher class (Großkreuz) of the same order for their service as Oberbefehlshaber Süd, they were both awarded the Orden „Michael der Tapfere“ III. Klasse instead, which was Romania's highest military decoration.

Also, I concluded the three different dates we have for Fricke's Orden der Stern von Rumänien I. Klasse are for the following:

The date we have from the Monitorul Oficial, "07. 11. 1941", is the date when the King of Romania decided to award Fricke this order (i.e. Romanian award date).

The date that comes from Manfred Dörr's book, "25. 04. 1942", is the date of the presentation of the award itself to Fricke. In the book it clearly says: "Already presented on 25.04.1942 in Berlin by the Romanian military attaché Oberst Gheorghe".

The other date that comes from Manfred Dörr's book, "07. 10. 1942", is the German approval date.


Do you agree with this explanation/conclusion?

Admiral Kurt Fricke (1889-1945) viewtopic.php?f=5&t=239341&p=2179451&hi ... e#p2179451

askropp, please edit Fricke's Orden der Stern von Rumänien I. Klasse like this:
-Königlicher Orden des Sterns von Rumänien I. Klasse mit Schwertern am Tapferkeitsbande der Militärischen Tugend (07. 11. 1941, Awarded on 25. 04. 1942, Approved on 07. 10. 1942)
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 07 Oct 2023 14:23

graveland wrote:
07 Oct 2023 14:12
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 12:12
Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

2. In the 4th photo below I posted some close-ups of Lohmann's ribbon bar. The four ribbons after the Wehrmacht Dienstauszeichnung are all unknown, foreign awards. Please help me ID them. See here for a previous discussion on his ribbon bar: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=238107

B: Königlich Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See? Do you agree?

No, I don't.

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 12:12
C: peculiar ribbon with one black stripe?

This is the Baltenkreuz.

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 12:12
D: Cartaphilus and Thierry said before this could be the Orden der Krone von Italien. I agree. One crown (depending if it was Silver or Gold) would indicate the "Offizierskreuz" or "Komturkreuz" class. I think the class is (looking at Lohmann's rank) the "Komturkreuz". Do you agree?
This is the Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See.
B is quite clearly the ribbon of the Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See. It was a red/yellow/red ribbon. See on Lietzmann's ribbon bar.

C can't be the Baltenkreuz because it would've been placed before the WDA. Besides, the colours of the ribbon don't match with the Baltenkreuz (which was a blue/white striped ribbon).

D is obviously the Orden der Krone von Italien (red/white/red coloured ribbon with crown device). The Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See did not have a crown device on the ribbon and it had different colours.
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Re: Vizeadmiral Walter Georg Lohmann (1891-1955)

Post by graveland » 07 Oct 2023 14:44

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
07 Oct 2023 14:23
B is quite clearly the ribbon of the Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See. It was a red/yellow/red ribbon. See on Lietzmann's ribbon bar.

C can't be the Baltenkreuz because it would've been placed before the WDA. Besides, the colours of the ribbon don't match with the Baltenkreuz (which was a blue/white striped ribbon).

D is obviously the Orden der Krone von Italien (red/white/red coloured ribbon with crown device). The Spanischer Orden für Verdienste zur See did not have a crown device on the ribbon and it had different colours.
I totally disagree. For example, see the Baltekreuz after the WDA.
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