97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

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97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by Kelvin » 07 Oct 2023 16:14

Hello, I would like ask if 97.Armeekorps Adriatic Littoral Zone was designated as Pz Abt 212 in 1945 ? Or they are separate unit ? thank

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by wwilson » 07 Oct 2023 19:34

According to Tessin's work, Panzer-Abt 212 took losses in the area of Belgrade in October 1944. In December 1944, the remnants of the unit and those of Panzer-Abt Rhodos were combined as a rebuilt Panzer-Abt 212 vicinity Gorizia. The rebuilt unit had three assault gun companies. No mention of 97. AK in conjunction with this unit.

The 97. AK z. b. v. was formed on 28 September 1944 by renaming the "Adriatic Coastal Operations Area Command" (Befehlshabers Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland) Source for that is again Tessin's work.

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by Kelvin » 08 Oct 2023 14:26

wwilson wrote:
07 Oct 2023 19:34
According to Tessin's work, Panzer-Abt 212 took losses in the area of Belgrade in October 1944. In December 1944, the remnants of the unit and those of Panzer-Abt Rhodos were combined as a rebuilt Panzer-Abt 212 vicinity Gorizia. The rebuilt unit had three assault gun companies. No mention of 97. AK in conjunction with this unit.

The 97. AK z. b. v. was formed on 28 September 1944 by renaming the "Adriatic Coastal Operations Area Command" (Befehlshabers Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland) Source for that is again Tessin's work.

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Hello, Wilson, Thank for your help

I see 97.AK z.b.v. had Pz IIIN and Pz IV L48, do u know if she had any tank battalion belongs to her ? thank

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by G. Trifkovic » 08 Oct 2023 16:12

Kelvin wrote:
08 Oct 2023 14:26
wwilson wrote:
07 Oct 2023 19:34
According to Tessin's work, Panzer-Abt 212 took losses in the area of Belgrade in October 1944. In December 1944, the remnants of the unit and those of Panzer-Abt Rhodos were combined as a rebuilt Panzer-Abt 212 vicinity Gorizia. The rebuilt unit had three assault gun companies. No mention of 97. AK in conjunction with this unit.

The 97. AK z. b. v. was formed on 28 September 1944 by renaming the "Adriatic Coastal Operations Area Command" (Befehlshabers Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland) Source for that is again Tessin's work.

Cheers
Hello, Wilson, Thank for your help

I see 97.AK z.b.v. had Pz IIIN and Pz IV L48, do u know if she had any tank battalion belongs to her ? thank
Hi Kelvin,

what is the source?

Best,

Gaius

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by Kelvin » 08 Oct 2023 16:28

G. Trifkovic wrote:
08 Oct 2023 16:12
Kelvin wrote:
08 Oct 2023 14:26
wwilson wrote:
07 Oct 2023 19:34
According to Tessin's work, Panzer-Abt 212 took losses in the area of Belgrade in October 1944. In December 1944, the remnants of the unit and those of Panzer-Abt Rhodos were combined as a rebuilt Panzer-Abt 212 vicinity Gorizia. The rebuilt unit had three assault gun companies. No mention of 97. AK in conjunction with this unit.

The 97. AK z. b. v. was formed on 28 September 1944 by renaming the "Adriatic Coastal Operations Area Command" (Befehlshabers Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland) Source for that is again Tessin's work.

Cheers
Hello, Wilson, Thank for your help

I see 97.AK z.b.v. had Pz IIIN and Pz IV L48, do u know if she had any tank battalion belongs to her ? thank
Hi Kelvin,

what is the source?

Best,

Gaius
Hi, Gaius, Panzerlage on 15th Jan 1945 which shows that AK had 24 x Pz IIIN and 2 x Pz IV combat ready on that day, thx.

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by G. Trifkovic » 08 Oct 2023 17:14

Kelvin wrote:
08 Oct 2023 16:28
G. Trifkovic wrote:
08 Oct 2023 16:12
Kelvin wrote:
08 Oct 2023 14:26
wwilson wrote:
07 Oct 2023 19:34
According to Tessin's work, Panzer-Abt 212 took losses in the area of Belgrade in October 1944. In December 1944, the remnants of the unit and those of Panzer-Abt Rhodos were combined as a rebuilt Panzer-Abt 212 vicinity Gorizia. The rebuilt unit had three assault gun companies. No mention of 97. AK in conjunction with this unit.

The 97. AK z. b. v. was formed on 28 September 1944 by renaming the "Adriatic Coastal Operations Area Command" (Befehlshabers Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland) Source for that is again Tessin's work.

Cheers
Hello, Wilson, Thank for your help

I see 97.AK z.b.v. had Pz IIIN and Pz IV L48, do u know if she had any tank battalion belongs to her ? thank
Hi Kelvin,

what is the source?

Best,

Gaius
Hi, Gaius, Panzerlage on 15th Jan 1945 which shows that AK had 24 x Pz IIIN and 2 x Pz IV combat ready on that day, thx.
What is the exact signature? Thanks,

Gaius

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by wwilson » 08 Oct 2023 18:36

In October 1944 it was transferred to Belgrade and in December it was rebuilt and equipped with Panzer III and Panzer IV.
from-- https://web.archive.org/web/20140806214 ... eilung-212

Also-- https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gl ... IKorps.htm mentions Pz-Abt 212 being subordinated to LXXXXVII. AK on 10 March 1945.

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by Kelvin » 13 Nov 2023 13:59

wwilson wrote:
08 Oct 2023 18:36
In October 1944 it was transferred to Belgrade and in December it was rebuilt and equipped with Panzer III and Panzer IV.
from-- https://web.archive.org/web/20140806214 ... eilung-212

Also-- https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gl ... IKorps.htm mentions Pz-Abt 212 being subordinated to LXXXXVII. AK on 10 March 1945.

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Hello, Wilson, thank for your information.

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Re: 97.Armeekorps is Pz Abt 212 ?

Post by Stefano » 19 Nov 2023 22:30

Hello, this book deals with Panzer-Abteilung 212 in the OZAK: http://www.panzer-ozak.it/pzabt208_en.htm
(the book is mainly about PzAbt 208, but an appendix is about PzAbt 212 which took over the tanks left behind by PzAbt 208 when it left the OZAK in December 1944)
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