Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Discussions on all aspects of the German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions. Hosted by Chris Dale.
User avatar
Tanzania
Member
Posts: 913
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 13:59
Location: Benghazi / Libya

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 06 Mar 2022 08:27

danebrog wrote:
05 Mar 2022 20:59
By the way; - it is still a mystery to me why in every old British and Portuguese map the settlement of Mitomoni
was always shown on the Portuguese side of the border.
Uncle Ludwig was no better. One could almost suspect continued copy & paste in the pre-computer era. :lol:
Boell.jpg
We should forgive him. (- :wink: -)
Uncle Ludwig was no longer there, when the `Schutztruppe´ passed Mitomoni on the way back,
since he was seriously wounded (Headshot!) during the Battle of Lioma on August 31th, 1918.

Battle of Lioma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lioma

Lioma 30-31 August 1918 Background to Battle
https://www.google.de/books/edition/Kin ... frontcover
In OSPREY COMBAT: “King's African Rifles Soldier vs Schutztruppe Soldier” page 59 - 70
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

User avatar
Tanzania
Member
Posts: 913
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 13:59
Location: Benghazi / Libya

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 07 Apr 2022 05:58

By the way; - noticed in between; - a AHF member pictured some new
unpublished detailed photos of Koenigsberg guns on his home-page; - scroll down.

Mythos SMS Kleiner Kreuzer Königsberghttps://arche-foto.com/sms_koenigsberg.html

(But we will continue with the already started theme)
Cheers Holger
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

User avatar
Tanzania
Member
Posts: 913
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 13:59
Location: Benghazi / Libya

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 22 Sep 2023 10:16

"Our unidentified 10,5 cm QF L/40 C.04 Königsberg Gun" in London 1924?

Description: 4,1 inch Naval Gun - Length 13 feet 9 inches.From the Cruiser
"Königsberg" Marked Nr. 361 L.Fried Krupp 1905. Kg. 1918. London, England

(Seems to be a German description, otherwise the British used: United Kingdom?)


Furthermore it can be read on the sign hanging in front of the gun:

"4,1 INCH GUN CAPTURED BY THE ROYAL NAVY FROM THE GERMAN CRUISER KÖNIGSBERG EAST AFRICA 1915"

Screenshot (1427).png
Original Source:
https://www.alamy.de/bild-mit-dem-titel ... archtype=0


Here we see the same gun with the complete installed original protection shield?
iwmgun.jpg
Source from Chris Dale´s homepage:
http://s400910952.websitehome.co.uk/ger ... iwmgun.jpg


Photo of the same Gun from above, but from behind.
https://c7.alamy.com/compde/2rcf9x9/lie ... rcf9x9.jpg



Any idea, who was Luitenant Sintzenich. S.C.?

Cheers Holger
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

User avatar
Chris Dale
Host - German Colonies
Posts: 1953
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 14:48
Location: UK

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 22 Sep 2023 16:34

That's a great find Holger! I'm sure it's taken around The Mall in central London. I'll try to find the exact spot.

"Seems to be a German description, otherwise the British used: United Kingdom?" No, it's easily possible to use either.

Cheers
Chris

User avatar
Chris Dale
Host - German Colonies
Posts: 1953
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 14:48
Location: UK

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 22 Sep 2023 16:49

And there's another one!
LT-SIN~1.JPG
https://www.alamy.com/lt-sintzenich-too ... 44721.html

This time we can see Admiratly Arch in the background which shows us the exact location. X marks the spot.
kberg map.jpg
Sintzenich was an army photographer.
http://historicpelham.blogspot.com/2017 ... -film.html

He took a few photos of the guns that day on display on the Mall.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/lt-si ... y=relevant

Cheers
Chris
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Chris Dale
Host - German Colonies
Posts: 1953
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 14:48
Location: UK

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 24 Sep 2023 14:22

I was in central London yesterday so I visited the spot where the gun was once seen.
Cheers
Chris
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Kallag
Member
Posts: 33
Joined: 02 May 2013 20:00

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Kallag » 01 Oct 2023 07:52

Thank you Chris for going to the trouble of visiting the site where the gun was on display.

Pity that the gun could not preserved and that the scrapman eventually won the day.

Am I right in saying we have after all these years not yet had a volunteer brave enough to go and scratch the paint off the breech of the Mombasa gun to confirm the gun number??

Regards
Kallag

User avatar
Tanzania
Member
Posts: 913
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 13:59
Location: Benghazi / Libya

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 01 Oct 2023 15:59

Kallag wrote:
01 Oct 2023 07:52
Pity that the gun could not preserved and that the scrapman eventually won the day.
Am I right in saying we have after all these years not yet had a volunteer brave enough to go and scratch the paint off the breech of the Mombasa gun to confirm the gun number??
Regards Kallag
Hello Kallag,

You must not forget that local police forces in East Africa do not operate as “so freely and democratically minded”
as in your `beautiful western countries´.

The official approval procedures would also not be any faster than yours; - but more expensive.

Cheers Holger
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

perhobstler
New member
Posts: 1
Joined: 25 Oct 2023 12:09
Location: Germany

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by perhobstler » 25 Oct 2023 12:28

Could this be the missing Königsberg gun?
I found it 1985 in Entebbe Uganda. As far as I can remember the gun was marked with "Krupp"
The dimensions of the barrel are very similar, may be it was attached to another carriage.
Let me know what you think about it.
With best regards,
Matthias Schneider
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Tanzania
Member
Posts: 913
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 13:59
Location: Benghazi / Libya

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 26 Oct 2023 05:09

perhobstler wrote:
25 Oct 2023 12:28
Could this be the missing Königsberg gun?
Hello Matthias,
it´s a Feldkanone Krupp 13,5-cm M 09
https://www.kaisersbunker.com/cc/cc04.htm

Regards Holger

But this the KB-Gun, still today in Mombasa
Screenshot (1807).png
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

User avatar
Chris Dale
Host - German Colonies
Posts: 1953
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 14:48
Location: UK

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 28 Oct 2023 16:27

Another geat find Holger, not seen that photo before!
Cheers
Chris

Kallag
Member
Posts: 33
Joined: 02 May 2013 20:00

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Kallag » 02 Jan 2024 08:11

Happy New Year all.

The Bundesarchiv Photograph collection includes images showing the recovery of the Konigsberg guns on the banks of the Rufiji.

Two photographs show the same picture, these being images BILD 134-C0326 and 134 C-0319.
See
In the background, rather faintly, the images show a vessel (not the Konigsberg) of substantial size, on the bank of the river and presumably near the wreck of the Konigsberg.

I am curious about this vessel...any idea of where I should be looking for more details of the gun recovery effort and which ship would have been part of the exercise? By most accounts, the guns have been taken to the Dar Railway workshops by land, ruling out the possibility of the ship assisting in this regard.



Many Thanks
Kallag

Kallag
Member
Posts: 33
Joined: 02 May 2013 20:00

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Kallag » 02 Jan 2024 08:29

The vessel shown in the backround..
Capture.JPG,K2.1,e.jpg
Kallag
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Tanzania
Member
Posts: 913
Joined: 04 Jun 2009 13:59
Location: Benghazi / Libya

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 02 Jan 2024 09:55

Kallag wrote:
02 Jan 2024 08:29
The vessel shown in the backround..

Capture.JPG,K2.1,e.jpg

Kallag


HAPPY NEW YEAR (- :thumbsup: -)

Hi Kallag,

Its the German DOAL Coastal Steamer "Hedwig" (Last line)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCst ... rika_Linie



Regards Holger
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

Kallag
Member
Posts: 33
Joined: 02 May 2013 20:00

Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Kallag » 03 Jan 2024 10:32

Wow, Holger, this is very well done and much appreciated....thank you for going to the trouble of identifying the steamer.

This also helps in clearing the caption of the attached IWM image which reads "German Steamer HEDVISCH or ROVUMA scuttled in Rufigi delta. This wreck was undiscovered until 1921"

Greetings

Return to “German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions”