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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 20 Nov 2023 13:42

alcius wrote:
20 Nov 2023 11:26
Unteroffizier Kurt Basan - Geschützführer, 1. / Pz.Jg.Abt.225 - 4 kills
Hello Antonio,

ah, nice photo. I can add a little something on Uffz. Basan here:
Date and place of action was 22.7.1944 at Radysche.

Also, I have found an old note from an visit of mine to the German Bundesarchiv in 2015, seeing file RH 39/661 (Rundbriefe from Pz.Jg.Ers.Abt. 20, Hamburg), the one from 19.10.1944 also mentions Uffz. Basan:
Uffz. Basan on security position with his schwere Pak. 4 T34 attacked, Uffz. Basan himself aiming the gun destroyed the first T34 at 200 m range, the second T34 was destroyed, standing behind a cemetery at 150 m range, than the third T34 was destroyed with an shot into the turret ring (Drehkranz), the forth T34 turned away and was killed with 3 shots at 600 m range. He just needed 8 shots within 8 to 9 minutes to achieve this success.

Another name from these "Rundbriefe":

Lt. Detjen was mentioned in the Rundbrief from 15.3.1943:
He was Führer of 1./Pz.Jg.Abt. 30 and within 4 weeks was able to destroy 6 tanks as a Geschützführer and also destroyed 1 tank in close range combat.
Lt.d.R. Günter Detjen, he's still listed with Pz.Jg.Abt. 30 as the Ordonanz-Offizier in April 1944.


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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 21 Nov 2023 17:05

Thanks Oliver

I found a newspaper article about Oberleutnant Bernhardt commander of a Panzerjagerabteilung.
From what I understand, he destroyed 66 tanks in 3 days of battles, 42 of them from one company.
At the beginning it is written that one Unteroffizier destroyed 10 tanks, another destroyed 10 in 2 days, and a third destroyed 8 in 2 days.
I think it's Pz.Jäg.Abt. 90, since the Unteroffizier Baumester is mentioned as having destroyed 10 tanks.
I didn't understand who the other 2 are, but there are numerous names with victories, but I understood little.

https://zeitpunkt.nrw/ulbbn/periodical/ ... rnhardt%22
Remscheider General-Anzeiger 53 (23/08/1941) 198


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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 21 Nov 2023 17:16

My Error-
Unteroffizier Baumeister not Baumester
Unt. Lorenz Baumeister - PZ.JG.Abt.90- Ritterkreuz

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 25 Nov 2023 20:46

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21 Nov 2023 17:16
Unt. Lorenz Baumeister - PZ.JG.Abt.90- Ritterkreuz
Hello Antonio,

wow, interesting first hand account, not an PK report but from the unit leader!

Oblt. Gerhard Bernhardt, Chef 1./Pz.Jg.Abt. 90
he died on 18. Oct. 1941 at Nowaja Derewnja, was promoted Hauptmann p.h.
https://www.volksbund.de/erinnern-geden ... 5fd04b0c7e

O.k., the report says, that Pz.Jg.Abt. 90 up to the date of the report has destroyed 66 soviet tanks, while the 1.Kp. of Oblt. Bernhardt was responsible for 42 tanks plus 4 armored cars.

As to Uffz. Baumeister:
Action was on 20.7.1941 at Jelnya, he between 6.00 - 10.30 a.m. destroyed 10 soviet tanks (3 Christie, 7 T26) near the south-east of Jelnya.

As to the report:
Obviously this was on 25.7.1941, a few days later (see NARA files below), an the gun commanders mentioned in the report had tank kills according like this:

1 tank = Ogfr. Rasch
2 tanks = Uffz. Recktenwald, Ogfr. Zistel, Uffz. Henkel, Fw. Wagner
4 tanks = Uffz. Heiß

NARA Roll T315-R567 (10. Pz.Div.) on 20.7.1941:
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NARA Roll T315-R567 (10. Pz.Div.) showing the successes of Pz.Jg.Abt. 90, and obviously, the date of the action described in the report of Oblt. Bernhardt was 25.7.1941, that day the Abteilung reported 17 tank kills, the 1.Kp. reported 14 tank kills, this is the only day possible!
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I have no further details as to the names of the men mentioned ...

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 28 Nov 2023 10:31

Thanks Oliver, always precious.

Leutnant Ego Hardt - 912 Stug.Abt. - 6 kills and 1 close combat

https://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/sammlu ... d4a9ff8265
Stuttgarter NS-Kurier 9/4/1945

From what I understand, having his Sturmgeschutz out of action, with the Wachtmeister Fahlisch he destroyed an enemy tank in close combat.
After his Stug was repaired he destroyed 6 more enemy tanks

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by pintere » 29 Nov 2023 01:02

Here's a declined submission for the award of the Knight's Cross to Leutnant Otmar Wesely of the 2./Heeres-Sturmartillerie-Lehr-Brigade 111. He and his Batterie destroyed 75 tanks within a 4 day period in April 1945, of which he was personally responsible for 14 (including 10 IS-2s).
RH_19_XV_24_0249-compressed_page-0001 2.jpg
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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 29 Nov 2023 23:31

alcius wrote:
28 Nov 2023 10:31
Leutnant Ego Hardt - 912 Stug.Abt. - ...
8O

THIS, is funny, the best example of how flawed the correct spelling of names could be within these newspaper articles!

I searched in vain for a Ego Hardt (an unusual forename by itself), but than:

Leutnant Ego Hardt = Leutnant Egghardt
The well know Ritterkreuzträger from Stug.Brig. 912:

https://www.tracesofwar.com/persons/299 ... Alfred.htm

Ouch! :lol:

But, o.k., at least we have one newbie (with "just" on shared tank kill in close combat), but I'm sure he also had some "regular" kills to his credit:

Oberwachtmeister Hans Fahlisch, 2./Stug.Brig. 912, EK2 in 1943 as an Unteroffizier, EK1 in early 1944 as an Wachtmeister.

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 30 Nov 2023 00:20

pintere wrote:
29 Nov 2023 01:02
Leutnant Otmar Wesely of the 2./Heeres-Sturmartillerie-Lehr-Brigade 111
Hi Evan!

Thanks for that, I can add, that Othmar Wesely got the EK1 with 1./Stug.Abt. 184. He already was a Leutnant d.Res. that time, and was wounded on 31.3.1943. Most probably he afterwards just returned to the front in early 1945 with Stu.Art.Lehr-Brig. 111.

Before he was promoted to Leutnant d.Res., he must have been with Stug.Abt. 197 and Stug.Abt. 191, but I have no details, just short notes of mine from many, many years ago from the post-war newsletter "Der Sturmartillerist". According to that, his forename was Othmar (note the spelling, confirmed by his name of the EK1 award from 329. ID). He died on 1.7.1977.

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 30 Nov 2023 16:19

Thanks Oliver, I thought I found a new one.
I would never have gotten to Egghardt.

I have another one that I couldn't find anything about.
Feldwebel Wiesenpfad, der mit seinem Pakgeschütz 80 feindliche Panzerwagen vernichtet oder in die Flucht geschlagen hat.

Durlacher Tageblatt : Heimatblatt für die Stadt und den früheren Amtsberzirk Durlach; Pfinztäler Bote für Grötzingen, Berghausen, Söllingen, Wöschbach u. Kleinsteinbach
Montag, 08.26.1940
https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothe ... ssuepage=4

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 02 Dec 2023 14:14

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30 Nov 2023 16:19
I have another one that I couldn't find anything about. ... Feldwebel Wiesenpfad ...
Hi Antonio,

this one ..., I think we have to speculate a little something.

First: a little downgrade, I would trust the following article more than all the others:

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothe ... ssuepage=2

It says "He and two other Feldwebel ...", so it was the success of a Zug of 3,7 cm Pak.

For sure, they had some kills of french light tanks, but, let's say ..., 20 kills, the other 60 retreated??? Maybe a few more, or a few less ..., but that would get them the EK1 that early in the war, no Ritterkreuz.

Second: This name seems to be totally wrong, you can't find ANY entry within Volksbund Database, Fold3, telephone book Germany or just via Google, showing any living person with that name. Some of these pages also search similar names, but nothing!

I had a look into other newspapers just for the Name "Wiesenpfad", nothing.

My suggestion: the name Wiesenfahrt sound very similar, and of course you can find some of them, and also one Feldwebel Wiesenfahrt, who died 1944 in Italy:

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothe ... ssuepage=3

https://www.volksbund.de/erinnern-geden ... ecf04abe36

BUT, of course, who knows? This particular person was born in 1912, so well could have been a Feldwebel even in 1940, but still a Feldwebel in 1944 ?

On the other hand this name is not that common, not much choices.

And, yes, Wiesenfahrt is just a possible explanation for the obviously wrongly spelled name in the article in EVERY newspaper I have found, but of course every newspaper that time used the same reference to print that stuff for their readers ...

Fw. Wiesenfahrt, Alois ???
min. 5 tank kills (80 french light tanks destroyed or chased off by 3 Pak 3,7cm)

Hm ...

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 05 Dec 2023 11:51

Thanks as always Oliver

Leutnat in a Westfalischen panzerjager destroyed 8 enemy tanks and 4 pak
I don't know the name and department.
leutnant zugfuhrer.png
https://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/ ... 0panzer%22
Neueste Zeitung Vol. 11 (03/08/1941) 02+03.08.1941

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 05 Dec 2023 13:23

Hi Antonio,

hm, in this case ..., no, I have no idea!

The newspaper says "westfälische Panzerjäger-Abteilung", so it's not a 14.(Pz.Jg.) company of an Grenadier-Regiment.

Westfalen means = Panzerjäger-Ersatz-Abteilung 6 in Herford, but the Pz.Jg.Abt. which got personnel from that replacement unit don't have an officer with the Ritterkreuz, the Ehrenblattspange or the Anerkennungsurkunde for action before 2.8.1941.

See here:
https://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gl ... Ers6-R.htm

So, no, sorry, no idea :-(

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 06 Dec 2023 16:10

Too bad, thanks Oliver himself

Others
Leutnant Pfeiffer's Panzerjagerkompanie destroyed 10 enemy tanks
Unteroffizier Moller - 4 tanks and 2 pak
Unteroffizier Thiele - 5 tanks
Obergefreiter Mrack - 1 tank

13.04.1945 Feldzeitung: Nachrichtenblatt einer Armee im Osten
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-view ... 0Thiele%20

The only Lt. Pfeiffer I found is from Pz.Jg.Abt.37, which I also entered some time ago, but I'm not sure if it's this Abteilung.

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by Gastolli » 07 Dec 2023 16:12

alcius wrote:
06 Dec 2023 16:10
Leutnant Pfeiffer's Panzerjagerkompanie ...
Hi Antonio,

unfortunately, here also I'm not able to identify this unit as I'm no expert in "ordinary" gez. Pak units :-)

And, more so, the Lt. Pfeiffer from Pz.Jg.Abt. 37 had nothing to do with this Pfeiffer. Lt. Karl Pfeiffer was still with Pz.Jg.Abt. 37 as the Chef of 1. Kompanie in early 1945 (as an Oberleutnant).

Please keep in mind that PFEIFFER is a very common name here in Germany. I'm sure he wasn't the only Pfeiffer in Kurland serving with an Panzerjäger unit :-)

Uffz. Moller should be Möller of course (German Umlaut).

Anyway, a nice find!

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Re: High Scorers with Panzers and Paks

Post by alcius » 12 Dec 2023 16:39

Gastolli wrote:
23 Mar 2023 19:54
alcius wrote:
22 Mar 2023 16:49
some panzerjager names.
Hello Antonio,

ah, nice :-) Of course, Rahlenbeck, Wagner and Weidlich are "well known", so to say.

I haven't heard from Fasel yet, that was new to me!

So, o.k., we still have three soldiers to go:

Ogfr. Kratochwil
This is a PK-report, name also could have been Kratochwill, Kratochvil or Kratochvill (you know the accuracy of these kind of stuff), but anyway I have no details on this man. The report says "Südlich der Flugplatzstraße vor der Stadt", sounds like the immediate vicinity of Staraja Russa, so from the chart I would say he must have belonged to 30. Inf.Div.

Uffz. Chilian
Also, unknown to me, but a very unusual German family name. I can see all those men listed in the Volksbund database born in Northern Germany, so I would expect Uffz. Chilian also belonged to 30. Inf.Div.!

Gefr. Bargsten
Here, also this name can be found in Northern Germany, usually. But I found a note of mine from Bundesarchiv sources, that
Gefreiter Dietrich Bargsten, 14./G.R. 6 (30. Inf.Div.)
was recommended for the "Nennung im Ehrenblatt", but this recommendation was rejected (no further details). So, you can't find him in any lists, but at least we have a full name. I can't find a Dietrich Bargsten in the Volksbund database, so he could have survived WW2.


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I found a new article on Gefreiter Bargsten.
The previous one from 21/09/43 told me that he had destroyed 6 tanks,
Der Führer / Kreisausgabe Rastatt (21/09/1943) 261
bargsten 1.png
this one from 29/09/43 tells me that he destroyed 9 T34s.
I don't think it's the same action.
There are other names in the article.
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-view ... er%20ab%20
1943.09.29 Feldzeitung: Nachrichtenblatt einer Armee im Osten
bargsten.png
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